{"id":425849,"date":"2026-02-12T21:48:11","date_gmt":"2026-02-12T20:48:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=425849"},"modified":"2026-02-12T21:48:14","modified_gmt":"2026-02-12T20:48:14","slug":"net-zero-fails-science-math-and-people","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=425849","title":{"rendered":"Net Zero Fails Science, Math and\u00a0People"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"398\" data-attachment-id=\"425883\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425883\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/AQNXaPr_6ezPBLhCtJ22NNXNDtQD6FEiz4ePzdV5ODIOwyy7xOgGeZkfYiGVR2nshCqVFCddtHkg79adJ5cOAD4xblcPP0XMK3wmi3Vv14Wx-7g5d93UEVSf2ocP86o.jpeg?fit=1498%2C823&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1498,823\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/AQNXaPr_6ezPBLhCtJ22NNXNDtQD6FEiz4ePzdV5ODIOwyy7xOgGeZkfYiGVR2nshCqVFCddtHkg79adJ5cOAD4xblcPP0XMK3wmi3Vv14Wx-7g5d93UEVSf2ocP86o.jpeg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">From The <a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/2026\/02\/10\/net-zero-fails-science-math-and-people\/\">Science Matters<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">By\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/author\/ronaldrc\/\">Ron Clutz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"478\" height=\"343\" data-attachment-id=\"425852\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425852\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-145.png?fit=478%2C343&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"478,343\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-145.png?fit=478%2C343&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-145.png?resize=478%2C343&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A cartoon unicorn silhouette with a rainbow tail, featuring the text '100% renewable?' inside.\" class=\"wp-image-425852\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-145.png?w=478&amp;ssl=1 478w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-145.png?resize=300%2C215&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 478px) 100vw, 478px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/zSSCqD0dhSA?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">In the video above, Ron Barmby joins Angela Wheeler to discuss Sunset on Net Zero and the why green energy schemes fail.\u00a0 He questions the scientific, economic, and engineering basis of global net-zero policies. Drawing on physics, real-world observations, and decades of experience, he argues that CO2\u2019s warming effect is small and diminishing. He also challenges climate models that rely on unverified assumptions.\u00a0 Barmby warns that many green energy solutions are impractical and that net-zero policies disproportionately harm the poor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">For those preferring to read, I provide below a lightly edited transcript in italics with added images.&nbsp; AW refers to Angela Wheeler and RB to Ron Barmby.&nbsp; H\/T Climate Change Dispatch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">I think [Net Zero] is insane. It is pointless to pursue it because it will make no difference to the climate or to climate change. The climate will change as it wants to change, no matter how much CO2 we put in the air. So, it\u2019s a pointless thing to do. It is unachievable. And in the end, as always, it\u2019s the poorest among us that will pay the highest price proportionally.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:&nbsp;<\/strong>&nbsp;This is Climate Debrief, brought to you by the CO2 Coalition. I\u2019m Angela Wheeler. There\u2019s a recently published book, Sunset on Net Zero, a heretics guide to the futile CO2 target.&nbsp; You\u2019re going to hear from the author, CO2 Coalition member Ron Barmby. Ron is a professional engineer with a master\u2019s degree from the University of Alberta and a four-decade career that\u2019s taken him to over 40 countries across five continents. Ron\u2019s adventures have shown him firsthand how societies really are adaptable to shifting climates.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">Thank you for taking the time, Ron. Thank you for having me, Angela. Part one of your recent book is titled How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Carbon Dioxide.&nbsp; Did you have a moment of clarity where this all made sense or did this happen over a period of time?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0It sort of happened over a period of time when the Al Gore movie came out. At first, I was impressed with it, and I thought, well, this all makes sense. And then as other writers started pointing out the flaws in that movie, I decided I should look into this more too.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"646\" height=\"384\" data-attachment-id=\"425855\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425855\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?fit=646%2C384&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"646,384\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?fit=646%2C384&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?resize=646%2C384&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A speaker presenting on stage, with a graph displayed behind showing variations in temperature over time, while an audience observes attentively.\" class=\"wp-image-425855\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?w=646&amp;ssl=1 646w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?resize=300%2C178&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-146.png?resize=640%2C380&amp;ssl=1 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 646px) 100vw, 646px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Al Gore with a version of the Hockey Stick graph in the 2006 movie An Inconvenient Truth<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">And as an engineer, I have a background in physics and I realized that a lot of the physical characteristics that Al Gore was talking about simply aren\u2019t true. So it developed over time. And as it developed over time, some of my friends said, Ron, you should write this down. And so I did. And that was my first book. The second book, the one that you just mentioned, is sort of an update of what\u2019s happened since 2020 when the first book was published.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"462\" height=\"350\" data-attachment-id=\"425858\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425858\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-148.png?fit=462%2C350&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"462,350\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-148.png?fit=462%2C350&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-148.png?resize=462%2C350&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Political cartoon depicting a character holding a Nobel Prize and pointing out nine scientific errors identified by a British judge in Al Gore's film 'An Inconvenient Truth' related to global warming.\" class=\"wp-image-425858\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-148.png?w=462&amp;ssl=1 462w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-148.png?resize=300%2C227&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 462px) 100vw, 462px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;What is your analysis of this global effort to reach net zero?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, I think it\u2019s insane. That\u2019s what I think. It is pointless to pursue it because it will make no difference to the climate or to climate change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">I now declare the Paris Agreement for Climate Change open for signature. More than 170 countries signed the Paris Agreement. They are pledging to take steps to limit the rise of global temperatures to well below two degrees Celsius.<br>\u2013Ban Ki-moon, UN Secretary-General<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">The climate will change as it wants to change, no matter how much CO2 we put in the air. So, it\u2019s a pointless thing to do. The second part of it, it is unachievable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"349\" data-attachment-id=\"425860\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425860\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?fit=1050%2C507&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1050,507\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?fit=723%2C349&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=723%2C349&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A graphic featuring a circular arrow design with a yellow and gray color scheme, alongside the text 'ZERO CO2 SUICIDE' in bold yellow and white letters on a gray background.\" class=\"wp-image-425860\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=1024%2C494&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=300%2C145&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=768%2C371&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=640%2C309&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?resize=930%2C450&amp;ssl=1 930w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-149.png?w=1050&amp;ssl=1 1050w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">And that\u2019s where my engineering background comes in and many of the engineers that are part of the CO2 coalition. What they want to achieve simply can\u2019t be done in a reasonable time frame at a reasonable cost, and it can\u2019t be done globally. And the third thing about it is the whole thing is unfair because it punishes those that are trying to reduce CO2 emissions to the benefit of those who are only paying lip service to CO2 emissions. And in the end, as always, it\u2019s the poorest among us that will pay the highest price proportionally.<a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/09\/zero-co2-suicide.png\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"325\" data-attachment-id=\"425862\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425862\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?fit=1551%2C696&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1551,696\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0koonin-2-immoralities-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?fit=723%2C325&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=723%2C325&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A portrait of Steven Koonin with a quote about moral issues related to the treatment of the Developing World and concerns for the younger generation, set against a colorful green background.\" class=\"wp-image-425862\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=1024%2C460&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=300%2C135&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=768%2C345&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=1536%2C689&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=640%2C287&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?resize=1200%2C538&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?w=1551&amp;ssl=1 1551w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0koonin-2-immoralities-1.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Your book sums it up well in stating that warming from future CO2 is too trivial and too gradual to justify drastic policy. Could you explain that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, there was a paper written in 2019 by two coalition members, Dr. \u00a0Wijngaarden and Dr. Happer.<br>That paper explained from physicist to physicist how we can actually measure the amount of CO2 warming that has happened. And by measuring that amount, it confirmed the equations that would predict what would happen if we doubled the CO2 emissions again or came to a complete doubling. And looking into that paper, I tried to explain in everyday terms how valid it is and what it means. And so, in that investigation, I came to the conclusion that this is understandable by many, many people. And if we got the word out, that might help shift the view on the alarmism of carbon dioxide induced global warming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">[From Wijngaarden and Happer study: My synopsis is&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/2021\/12\/04\/climate-change-and-co2-not-a-problem\/\"><strong>Climate Change and CO2 Not a Problem<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" data-attachment-id=\"425863\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425863\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?fit=1400%2C787&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1400,787\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?fit=723%2C407&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=723%2C407&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Graph depicting Earth's surface temperature calculation at 60\u00b0F without greenhouse gases, showing areas under various gas concentration curves (N2O, H2O, CO2) with corresponding energy values in W\/m\u00b2, accompanied by images of Max Planck and Karl Schwarzschild.\" class=\"wp-image-425863\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=1024%2C576&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=640%2C360&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?resize=1200%2C675&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-150.png?w=1400&amp;ssl=1 1400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">\u201cRight in the middle of these curves, you can see a gap in spectrum. The gap is caused by CO2 absorbing radiation that would otherwise cool the Earth. If you double the amount of CO2, you don\u2019t double the size of that gap. You just go from the black curve to the red curve, and you can barely see the difference. The gap hardly changes.\u201d]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Is it your position that the push for net zero stems from political exaggeration, followed by media amplification and not empirical science? Is that a fair assessment?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0I think that\u2019s a fair assessment. And Margaret Thatcher is one person that I like to quote on that. Many people don\u2019t realize that Margaret Thatcher was trained in Oxford as a chemist, as a research chemist. So, she was one of the big people behind pushing for the Paris Agreement. And she wanted to reduce CO2 emissions because she was concerned. But she knew how the scientific method worked because she was trained in it. And when she saw the first reports come out, she changed her mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">And she said, kind of paraphrasing Hamlet, that there isn\u2019t method in their madness, there is actually madness in their method. And what Margaret Thatcher pointed out was that the desire to control CO2 emissions worldwide is something that would require a worldwide organization to organize and enforce. And so, she saw it in that perspective, that it was a grand multinational global socialist effort to control the economy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"496\" data-attachment-id=\"425865\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425865\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?fit=1009%2C692&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1009,692\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?fit=723%2C496&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?resize=723%2C496&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Logos of the International Monetary Fund and World Bank with a headline about Oxfam's report on unaccounted climate funds.\" class=\"wp-image-425865\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?w=1009&amp;ssl=1 1009w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?resize=300%2C206&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?resize=768%2C527&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-151.png?resize=640%2C439&amp;ssl=1 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">She was not far off. But I do think that on the other end of the spectrum, capitalists have found a way to exploit this energy transition and make money that they would otherwise not be able to make.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Regarding net zero, your compelling argument cites the work of two other CO2 coalition members, our chairman, Dr. William Happer, and Dr. William Don Wingarden. Their work, as you mentioned, initially a series of academic papers by physicists for physicists, focuses on measuring thermal radiation transfer and had a truly profound effect because it undermines net zero. For one, they use real observations, not models. Can you please explain the difference and why is it worth noting?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>&nbsp;The scientific method is a way to make sure that we\u2019re not fooling ourselves, that we think we understand something that we don\u2019t really understand. And it was one thing that another CO2 member, Dr. Clauser, pointed out in his talk to Korean physicist students a couple of years ago. You have to go into science with an open mind and an unbiased mind. And you have to report faithfully what you observe. And it\u2019s the observations of physical reality that is the link to truth in science.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"600\" data-attachment-id=\"425867\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425867\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?fit=850%2C705&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"850,705\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?fit=723%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?resize=723%2C600&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A cartoon depicting scientists by a large machine labeled 'Climate Earth 1.0' with various control knobs, emphasizing the influence of oceans on global temperatures. One scientist enthusiastically points to a knob related to 'water vapour'.\" class=\"wp-image-425867\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?w=850&amp;ssl=1 850w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?resize=300%2C249&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?resize=768%2C637&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-152.png?resize=640%2C531&amp;ssl=1 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">So, the computer models that the IPCC relies on aren\u2019t based on observations that are linked to reality. They\u2019re based on biases that the computer programmers put into their own models. And the brilliance behind the Van Wingarden and Happer study is that they found an existing public domain database that contained the observations needed to show that the effect of CO2 warming was very small and it\u2019s diminishing rapidly.\u00a0 Another important thing to mention is that Dr. Happer and Dr. Van Wingarden\u2019s math matches real world data from space. This follows the scientific method, observe, predict, test, repeat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;What you\u2019re saying, and especially in your book, that the scientific method is so important, do you feel it is being neglected and perhaps not followed at the university level today?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0Unfortunately, I think, Angela, it\u2019s worse than that. It\u2019s not followed, maybe not at the university level, but I think it\u2019s the elementary, junior high, and high school level where it needs to be brought back into the curriculum and taught. It\u2019s when 10- and 12-year-old students come home and they\u2019re convinced that CO2 is something to be afraid of. That\u2019s where the problem starts.\u00a0 And I think that\u2019s where the problem has to be fixed.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"626\" height=\"437\" data-attachment-id=\"425870\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425870\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-154.png?fit=626%2C437&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"626,437\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-154.png?fit=626%2C437&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-154.png?resize=626%2C437&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A cartoon depicting two characters on a bridge discussing a sign that claims 'Earth will be uninhabitable in X years'. One character expresses confusion about the urgency while the other holds various protest signs related to climate change.\" class=\"wp-image-425870\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-154.png?w=626&amp;ssl=1 626w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-154.png?resize=300%2C209&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 626px) 100vw, 626px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Regarding the paper by Dr. Happer and Dr. Van Wingarden, they didn\u2019t just claim CO2 impact is small. They measured it, verified it, and anyone can check their data. They replaced alarmist models with hard, observable facts. How can anyone argue that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>&nbsp; Angela, I don\u2019t think anyone has argued with that. I think the mainstream media and the IPCC have simply ignored it. They haven\u2019t addressed it. Coming out in the United States is a presidential directive that all science backed by the federal government must meet the scientific method standards. And I think that\u2019s going to be a huge change worldwide when organizations, both federal and international organizations, when they are held to the standard of the scientific method, I think their karmic alarmism is just going to melt away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;As a former teacher and also as a mother and now a GG, I was gratified to see your chapter Stop Scaring the Children. What compelled you to write this chapter?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0I\u2019m a grandfather, and my grandkids are very concerned about CO2. And so, it takes me a long time to explain to them that there\u2019s nothing to worry about. And unfortunately, in a more of a millennial generation, there\u2019s been a lot of extreme anxiety among that generation about climate change. And unfortunately, there\u2019s been some tragedies that have resulted because of that. So, I think it\u2019s important to stop scaring the children. If you want to deal with a scientific methodology or a proposition you want to promote, bring it forward to trained people who can discuss it intelligently with you. Don\u2019t bring it into the classroom of an elementary school and scare children with it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"542\" data-attachment-id=\"425872\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425872\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?fit=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,576\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?fit=723%2C542&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=723%2C542&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Billboard displaying the message 'Sleep Well... There is No Climate Crisis' along with a website link 'CO2coalition.org' and an image of a sleeping woman.\" class=\"wp-image-425872\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=640%2C480&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=400%2C300&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-155.png?resize=200%2C150&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Ron, the second part of your book is Engineering 101 is the doomsday book for net zero. Why is that?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, because there are all of the green energy sources and the green machines that run on them, and many of them just simply fail when you try to build them. And I think I quote in my book, it was James Michener who said scientists dream of great things, but engineers build them. Well, you can have great dreams. You can dream of creating a solar guidance star like Dr. Hapur did, but it\u2019s up to the engineers to build them. And everyone is crossing their fingers until the thing actually works.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"710\" data-attachment-id=\"425873\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425873\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?fit=1080%2C1060&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1060\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0windmills-zero-gain\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?fit=723%2C710&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=723%2C710&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"A landscape featuring multiple wind turbines with a mountain range in the background, accompanied by a large text overlay discussing energy production and manufacturing costs.\" class=\"wp-image-425873\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=1024%2C1005&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=300%2C294&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=768%2C754&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=640%2C628&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=60%2C60&amp;ssl=1 60w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?w=1080&amp;ssl=1 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">And a lot of the propositions that are out in the mainstream media, how we can avoid or reduce our CO2 emissions are either uneconomic or they hurt the environment more than they help, or they simply don\u2019t work. And that\u2019s my engineering perspective coming into play.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;I see. And that makes me think of models, climate models. For example, you can create the model, but from an engineering standpoint, and with regard to net zero, is it impossible to come up with the conclusions that they do with models?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>&nbsp;In the case of climate, yes, it is. Now in engineering we use models for a number of things, because we have verified that the equations we\u2019ve put into the model are correct, and they can predict what might happen. And you can see that in flight simulators.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">In my own background, reservoir engineering models are based on the Darcy equation, and they\u2019re quite good at predicting what will happen, because those equations stand up to the scientific method. And so, when your equations can predict what happens in the future, and it actually happens, then you verified the equation, then you verified the model. The IPCC models, they have equations in there and assumptions that simply aren\u2019t verified, and they don\u2019t predict accurately.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"511\" data-attachment-id=\"425875\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425875\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?fit=1754%2C1240&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1754,1240\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0ec064-10_infographic_co2\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?fit=723%2C511&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=723%2C511&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Infographic showing the logarithmic temperature rise associated with higher levels of CO2, detailing the global temperature increase for different CO2 concentrations represented in parts per million (ppm). It includes a graphical representation of the relationship between CO2 levels and temperature rise.\" class=\"wp-image-425875\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=1024%2C724&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=300%2C212&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=768%2C543&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=1536%2C1086&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=640%2C452&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?resize=1200%2C848&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?w=1754&amp;ssl=1 1754w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0ec064-10_infographic_co2.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">One thing that came out of the Van Wintergaarden and Happer paper, and other papers that are associated with members of the CO2, is that the CO2 warming from the IPCC models has to be at least doubled, and some would claim quadrupled, in order to get the alarmist levels of warming that they predict. And so that factor of two or four just thrown in to cause more anxiety, that\u2019s not science, that\u2019s scare tactics. And it\u2019s important to point out that the IPCC is a government organization, it\u2019s not a science organization.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"561\" data-attachment-id=\"425877\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425877\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?fit=2316%2C1796&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2316,1796\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0climate-models-epic-fail\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?fit=723%2C561&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=723%2C561&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Graph showing the discrepancy between 73 climate computer models and actual temperature observations from 1975 to 2020, labeled 'Global warming EPIC FAIL'. It features lines representing model predictions, highlighted areas for observed data, and annotations for model and reality sections.\" class=\"wp-image-425877\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=1024%2C794&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=300%2C233&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=768%2C596&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=1536%2C1191&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=2048%2C1588&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=640%2C496&amp;ssl=1 640w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?resize=1200%2C931&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/0climate-models-epic-fail.png?w=2169&amp;ssl=1 2169w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>\u00a0And the other thing is, they say carbon dioxide is the control knob for temperature, and that\u2019s not the case, correct?<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"600\" height=\"449\" data-attachment-id=\"425880\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425880\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?fit=600%2C449&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"600,449\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?fit=600%2C449&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?resize=600%2C449&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Diagram illustrating Earth's energy budget, showing the distribution of incoming solar energy, including how much is reflected, absorbed, and radiated back into space.\" class=\"wp-image-425880\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?resize=400%2C300&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-157.png?resize=200%2C150&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>RB:<\/strong>\u00a0You\u2019re absolutely correct. We run on an energy balance, and that energy balance coming from the sun has part to do with the climate on earth. And as Gregory Wrightstone pointed out in his book, 90% of the global warming effect of CO2 is already behind us. So, the next 10% is going to be minimal. So, the next 10% is not the control knob of temperature on earth. Now, if there was no CO2 on earth, as there is no CO2 on the moon, the first amounts of CO2 added would have a dramatic effect on temperature. But that\u2019s way, way behind us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>AW:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, in concluding our conversation, I would like to let our viewers and listeners know that they can get your new book, Sunset on Net Zero, A Heretic\u2019s Guide to the Futile CO2 Target at Amazon. Ron, there are many excellent points in your book we didn\u2019t get to. I hope you will join us again soon on Climate Debrief. I\u2019d love to, Angela. Thank you very much.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"669\" height=\"521\" data-attachment-id=\"425881\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=425881\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?fit=669%2C521&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"669,521\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?fit=669%2C521&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?resize=669%2C521&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"Infographic explaining the minimal temperature variation between day and night on Earth, illustrating heat absorption and release processes, with comparisons to the Moon's temperatures.\" class=\"wp-image-425881\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?w=669&amp;ssl=1 669w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?resize=300%2C234&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/02\/image-158.png?resize=640%2C498&amp;ssl=1 640w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 669px) 100vw, 669px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/01\/earth-moon-highres.png\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I think [Net Zero] is insane. It is pointless to pursue it because it will make no difference to the climate or to climate change. The climate will change as it wants to change, no matter how much CO2 we put in the air. So, it\u2019s a pointless thing to do. It is unachievable. 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