{"id":400514,"date":"2025-09-06T12:35:41","date_gmt":"2025-09-06T10:35:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=400514"},"modified":"2025-09-06T12:35:44","modified_gmt":"2025-09-06T10:35:44","slug":"new-study-co2-does-not-precede-temperature-nor-does-it-control-temperature","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=400514","title":{"rendered":"New Study: \u2018CO2 Does Not Precede Temperature, Nor Does It Control Temperature\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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More evidence is unleashed undermining the CO2-drives-climate narrative.<\/strong><\/h4>\n\n\n\n

A comprehensive correlation analysis (Grabyan, 2025<\/a><\/strong>) utilizing the last 2000 years of temperature and CO2 data affirms CO2 changes lag temperature changes by ~150 years throughout the 1 to 1850 C.E. era.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This Common Era (C.E.) lead-lag sequencing \u2013 with temperature changes leading and CO2 changes lagging by centuries to millennia \u2013 is wholly consistent with the paleo CO2 and temperature proxy (ice core, stomata, borehole, etc.) record spanning the last 20,000 years (Demezhko and Gornostaeva, 2014<\/a><\/strong>), 400,000 years (Fischer et al., 1999<\/a><\/strong>, Mudelsee et al., 2001<\/a><\/strong>, Monnin et al., 2001<\/a><\/strong>, Uemura et al., 2018<\/a><\/strong>), 66 million years (Frank, 2024<\/a><\/strong>), and 420 million years (Koutsoyiannis, 2024<\/a><\/strong>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is notable that the CO2 changes can be shown to be driven by temperature changes over not only the long-term (centuries), but over short-term periods (months, years) as well (Koutsoyiannis et al., 2023<\/a><\/strong>, Humlum et al., 2013<\/a><\/strong>).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The correlational analyses also reveal changes in temperature may be driven by variations in total solar irradiance (TSI) \u2013 especially when using TSI data sets that are not preferred by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).\u00a0Other TSI-temperature correlation studies have drawn the same conclusions (Soon et al., 2015<\/a><\/strong>,\u00a0Yndestad and Solheim, 2017<\/a><\/strong>,\u00a0Scafetta, 2023<\/a><\/strong>)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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More evidence is unleashed undermining the CO2-drives-climate narrative.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":400519,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"Discover evidence that challenges the notion CO2 rises before temperature, revealing the true dynamics of climate change.","jetpack_seo_html_title":"New Study Shows CO2 Changes Lag Behind Global Temperature","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691829997,691819222,691823634],"class_list":{"0":"post-400514","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-carbon-dioxide-co","9":"tag-temperature","10":"tag-total-solar-irradiance-tsi","12":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/0AQNGVqkRbn5Lu7TuB8b65p1VZLmOCqkDNcsaYN1S0-fvNm8Hk1ic7LnFBADxNaRpJ3HB3fVtIOgRV2w6BFqgqwyJHw0cCzgwcCB1r5YNzvcn9e256SHJuphGcL7_Q6vmSkfnXEV2nW4ANawdhsSyQn6SAQqQ-1.jpeg?fit=1280%2C1280&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1GbU","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":171968,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=171968","url_meta":{"origin":400514,"position":0},"title":"CO2 and Temperature","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"09\/11\/2021","format":false,"excerpt":"By Andy May I had a very interesting online discussion about CO2\u00a0and temperature with Tinus Pulles, a retired Dutch environmental scientist. 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