{"id":386231,"date":"2025-07-01T18:47:35","date_gmt":"2025-07-01T16:47:35","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=386231"},"modified":"2025-07-01T18:47:36","modified_gmt":"2025-07-01T16:47:36","slug":"monday-mirthiness-the-bob-ward-teller-of-forecast-fortunes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=386231","title":{"rendered":"Monday Mirthiness: The Bob Ward Teller of Forecast Fortunes"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"723\" data-attachment-id=\"386241\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=386241\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,1024\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"OIG (11)\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?fit=723%2C723&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=723%2C723&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-386241\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=300%2C300&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=150%2C150&amp;ssl=1 150w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=768%2C768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=800%2C800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=600%2C600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=400%2C400&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=200%2C200&amp;ssl=1 200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=450%2C450&amp;ssl=1 450w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=60%2C60&amp;ssl=1 60w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/OIG-11.jpeg?resize=550%2C550&amp;ssl=1 550w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2025\/06\/30\/monday-mirthiness-the-bob-ward-teller-of-forecast-fortune\/\">Watts Up With That?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By <a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/author\/wattsupwiththat\/\">Anthony Watts<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Back in May, our laughable punk rock alien reared his shiny high albedo head again\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"embed-twitter\"><blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Great news Bob. You&#39;re a misunderstanding of statistics as presented by the met office has set a new retwardian cartoon into motion. <br><br>Stay tuned to this channel for your Cameo.<\/p>&mdash; Watts Up With That (@wattsupwiththat) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/wattsupwiththat\/status\/1923013202817782077?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">May 15, 2025<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bob cites this as \u201cproof they were right.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"720\" height=\"658\" data-attachment-id=\"386235\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=386235\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-19.png?fit=720%2C658&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"720,658\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-19.png?fit=720%2C658&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-19.png?resize=720%2C658&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-386235\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-19.png?w=720&amp;ssl=1 720w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-19.png?resize=300%2C274&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 720px) 100vw, 720px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.metoffice.gov.uk\/binaries\/content\/assets\/metofficegovuk\/pdf\/business\/public-sector\/civil-contingency\/3moutlook_mam_v2.pdf\">3_month_outlook_only_template<\/a><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>A 25% chance of a dry spring, but a 1.3x chance over the normal chance?<\/em>&nbsp;It reminded me of something a fortune teller might issue \u2013 vague, but defendable in any outcome. Of course, he\u2019d hear nothing of any rebuttals, because facts don\u2019t generate additional grants for his employer,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lse.ac.uk\/granthaminstitute\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">The Grantham Institute<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Bob is always good for a laugh. While I was writing this, he posted this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-twitter wp-block-embed-twitter\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"embed-twitter\"><blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\"><p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Climate change denier celebrates the Trump administration\u2019s Lysenkoism. He might as well be burning climate textbooks. <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/QIcFegFOXP\">https:\/\/t.co\/QIcFegFOXP<\/a><\/p>&mdash; Bob Ward (@ret_ward) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ret_ward\/status\/1939068663329411090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\">June 28, 2025<\/a><\/blockquote><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Stay frosty Bob, your job may be next.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Last month, I had commissioned our resident cartoonist, Josh, to make a new Bob Ward cartoon\u2026citing his \u201cgreen alien\u201d persona we\u2019ve given him here done in the spirit of an iconic\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/zoltar.org\/\">Fortune Teller Machine known as Zoltar<\/a>, which has about the same accuracy as Met Office forecasts. But, because Bob is such a\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/tag\/bob-ward\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">comical low value annoyance<\/a>, it took a while for Josh to get it done, and even longer for me to post it. So, without further delay, here it is.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"498\" height=\"720\" data-attachment-id=\"386239\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=386239\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-21.png?fit=498%2C720&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"498,720\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-21.png?fit=498%2C720&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-21.png?resize=498%2C720&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-386239\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-21.png?w=498&amp;ssl=1 498w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/image-21.png?resize=208%2C300&amp;ssl=1 208w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 498px) 100vw, 498px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">If you like Josh\u2019s work,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/cartoonsbyjosh.co.uk\/donate\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><strong>buy him a pint here<\/strong><\/a>. I guarantee you\u2019ll get more enjoyment per dollar (or pound) than all the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lse.ac.uk\/granthaminstitute\/about\/about-the-institute\/grants-and-contracts\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">money given to The Grantham Institute.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Back in May, our laughable punk rock alien reared his shiny high albedo head again\u2026<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":386241,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"jetpack_seo_schema_type":"","_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_wpcom_ai_launchpad_first_post":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691836229,691825006,691836228,691818808,691836227,691836230],"class_list":["post-386231","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-bob-ward","tag-climate-change-deniers","tag-march-may-forecast","tag-met-office","tag-misunderstanding-of-statistics","tag-new-bob-ward-cartoon","fallback-thumbnail"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1Ctx","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":241221,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=241221","url_meta":{"origin":386231,"position":0},"title":"Nigel Farage and Bob Ward CLASH over NetZero and coal usage","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"01\/23\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"\u2018No not true at all!' 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