{"id":371532,"date":"2025-03-24T07:56:33","date_gmt":"2025-03-24T06:56:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=371532"},"modified":"2025-03-24T07:56:35","modified_gmt":"2025-03-24T06:56:35","slug":"bbc-interview-exposes-milibands-weak-grasp-on-reality","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=371532","title":{"rendered":"BBC Interview Exposes Miliband\u2019s Weak Grasp on Reality"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From The Daily Sceptic<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By\u00a0Sallust<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero Ed Miliband appeared on Radio 4 Today<\/em> on Friday morning<\/a> to talk about the disastrous electricity substation fire that knocked out Heathrow.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mr Miliband was pressed by presenter Amol Rajan on the lack of resilience in the infrastructure before moving on to other matters. Rajan homed in on high energy bills, but it soon became clear that there is absolutely and unequivocally no other cause of high energy bills apart from volatile fossil fuel markets and there is only one solution. Apparently.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Moreover, although bills are going up, they are in fact inevitably going to do a U-turn shortly as the effects of Government policy and its \u2018mission\u2019 kick in:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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AR: Let\u2019s turn to your announcement today, \u00a3200 million upfront then from GB Energy for solar panels. When will that investment, that \u00a3200 million upfront, provide a return, i.e., save more than \u00a3200 million for public services?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: Well, for the public services it\u2018ll provide a return straightaway because the great thing about this scheme is because we know schools and hospitals are facing still very high energy bills. Our dependence on fossil fuels causes those high bills. This is, frankly, a no-brainer because solar panels on 200 schools, 200 hospitals, will cut their bills something like an average of \u00a325,000 a school, \u00a345,000 for a hospital and that money will start flowing straightaway. Some of these panels will be in place over the summer so in the next academic year the schools will be seeing those cuts in the bills and because it\u2019s funded by GB Energy the return is a day-one return. And it shows what a publicly-owned energy company, GB Energy, can do for communities up and down this country.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: Can I ask you about two specific aspects of Net Zero before we get to some of the wider issues? The first is that your election manifesto promised 650,000 new green jobs as a result of your Green Prosperity Plan across the country by 2030. How\u2019s that going?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: [pause] Well, we\u2019re confident we\u2019re going to provide hundreds of thousands of jobs as a result of our drive to Net Zero. The CBI \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: How\u2019s it going?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: \u2026 The CBI produced a really important report a couple of weeks ago which said that the Net Zero economy grew three times faster than the economy as a whole last year, a 10% more employment as a result of that. I think over 100,000 in the last couple of years. A total employment effect. And this is the truth Amal, this is the growth opportunity of the 21st century: turn your back on Net Zero and you turn your back on business investment, good jobs, innovation for the future and Britain leading in the key industrial areas of the future.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: But that\u2019s a nice idea, nice ambition, but what\u2019s, what\u2019s the reality? How many jobs has your Green Prosperity Plan created? That\u2019s what I want to know because there was another report, which I\u2019m sure you saw and might have even raised your eyebrow, Mr Miliband, from the Tony Blair institute which came out last month and I know you speak often to that institute, they\u2019ve got close ties to Sir Keir Starmer\u2019s No. 10, and they said that the 650,000 new jobs is a complete fantasy. They say the best-case scenario, and I quote, is 425,000, so about a third less, by 2050<\/em><\/strong>. What do you know that they don\u2019t?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: Ah, I, I, I\u2019m very confident about our figures and I\u2019m very confident that we will create hundreds of thousands of jobs in a green economy and, look, it\u2019s all about the investments we make. If you take carbon capture and storage for example , \u00a321.7 billion investment over 25 years, it\u2019s going to create 4,000 jobs straightaway, up to 50,000 jobs over the medium term, so look \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: But what progress have you made so far?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: Let me just make this point. I\u2019ve come back from China recently, you know, they realise that this is the growth opportunity of the 21st century. I\u2019ve come back from India. They also realise this so we can argue about the figures till the cows come home but frankly if you, if you want to create growth in our economy, if you want to create the jobs of the future, this is an absolutely essential part of the answer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: Sure, but it\u2019s not about cows coming home or not coming home or whatever it is what cows do when they don\u2019t come home, it\u2019s \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: sniggers<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: \u2026 about your manifesto promise. I just want to know. You made a manifesto promise \u2013650,000 by 2030 \u2013 we\u2019re nine months in, how much progress have you made in power to that 650,000 new jobs?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: Well, I\u2019m saying that I\u2019m confident about our pledges. I\u2019m confident that we\u2019re going to meet them er, and we are already making progress. I\u2019ve given you [an] example that is carbon capture and storage. As a result of our Clean Power Action Plan, the plan that we have put in place, the clean power by 2030, we\u2019re going to see \u00a340 billion a year of mainly private investment, that\u2019s \u00a3200 billion investment, also creating hundreds of thousands of jobs over the course of the next five years, so I\u2019m absolutely confident about our plan for that target.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: Another promise made by Sir Keir Starmer was that bills for our beloved listeners would be \u00a3300 lower<\/em> by 2030. How\u2019s that going?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: [sucks in breath]<\/em> We said that bills would be up to \u00a3300 lower by 2030. That is part of our Clean Power Plan \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: How\u2019s that going?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: \u2026 it\u2019s true to say that bills have gone up in the first eight months of this Government and I\u2019ll tell you why: because of our dependence on fossil fuels and at the moment we\u2019re in the grip of fossil fuel markets, controlled by petrostates and dictators so we saw the global gas price or the UK gas price, which is controlled by global markets, go up by 15% over the last quarter and that\u2019s feeding through to bills and there is only one answer to this, which is clean home-grown power which we can control, so that every solar panel we put up, every wind turbine we erect, every piece of grid we build and this is controversial for some people, gets us greater energy security and takes us further towards cutting bills. But the truth is the cheapest form of power to build and operate in our country today is renewable power and that\u2019s why we\u2019ve got to drive towards it and that is absolutely what this Government \u2013 er \u2013 is doing, wasting no time in doing it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: But of course, you make the case for what you\u2019re planning to do to get bills down. It\u2019s just the evidence of your first eight months is things are going in the wrong direction, so you said in the election last year bills will be \u00a3300 lower by 2030. Eight, nine months in bills are actually, according to Ofgem, \u00a3160 higher so they\u2019ve gone in the wrong direction. If bills have gone up by \u00a3160 in your first nine months why should anyone have any confidence that you\u2019re going to now get them down by \u00a3460 in the next five years? That\u2019s hot air, you might call it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: You need to interrogate the evidence about why bills have gone up. And the reason why \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: But whatever you\u2019re doing\u2019s not working is it?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: \u2026 well, er, er, absolutely it is, look the truth is you\u2019ve got to interrogate the evidence about why the bills have gone up and they\u2019ve gone up because of our dependence on fossil fuels and that\u2019s why our mission is to stop our dependence on fossil fuels, put in place the clean energy we need so that we can get bills down. So there is only one way to bring bills down for good. At the same time we\u2019re making decisions for example with our warm homes discount next winter to cut bills by another 100, \u00a3150 for 2.7 million families so at the same time that we have this long-term plan in place, in the short term we are making decisions that are fair to make sure that we help families who are most vulnerable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: And the people who pay for this transition are your constituents, they\u2019re our listeners, people who often don\u2019t have much money. You\u2019re asking your constituents to pay more in taxes to fund this agenda. You\u2019re doing so while cutting support for some people with disabilities, some people with mental health conditions, some people who might argue that they\u2019re simply too ill to work, so by the way cutting winter fuel payments for lots of people and international aid. Is that the Labour Party that you signed up for, and once led?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: I totally disagree with your analysis, Amal, of the meaning and importance of our clean power mission. Our clean power mission is about reducing costs for people because why did we, you know you can have short-term memories in this, why did we see bills rocket after Russia\u2019s invasion of Ukraine? Why are bills staying high at the moment?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

AR: But they\u2019ve gone up \u2013 with Labour in power! [talking over each other]<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

EM: Because of our dependence on fossil fuels and there is only one answer as I\u2019ve said, which is to drive towards clean home-grown power, so, so the old argument about climate and Net Zero was \u2018well, it\u2019ll be more expensive in the short-term but it\u2019s right for the long-term\u2019. The truth is that for a country like Britain where we are subject to global markets on fossil fuels this is actually the way to get bills down.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

The interview then ended.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You can hear the whole interview here<\/a>. Fast forward to about 02:16:00.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Stop Press<\/strong>: Mr Miliband later admitted on LBC<\/a> that the new solar panels for schools and hospitals will be coming, wait for it, from China among other places:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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When asked where the solar panels will come from he conceded that some will come from China, which is responsible for an estimated 80% of total global supply. Quizzed as to why British ones were not being used, Mr Miliband told LBC radio: \u201cOur solar panel industry has not got this kind of share of the market.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

When asked if they will come from China or Russia, he said: \u201cSome of them will be, they\u2019ll be from different countries, but that\u2019s why we\u2019ve got to build our domestic industry.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Critics say it makes no sense for Britain to attempt to cut emissions in the UK by shipping materials from China, where they are likely to have been manufactured using electricity from coal-fired power plants. The Conservatives\u2019 energy spokesman Andrew Bowie said: \u201cIf these solar panels do come from thousands of miles away it shows how ridiculous this whole thing is. Ed Miliband and his eco warriors need to get real.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

It seems creating \u201chundreds of thousands\u201d of green jobs in Britain will have to wait a bit longer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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