{"id":351636,"date":"2024-11-19T09:09:50","date_gmt":"2024-11-19T08:09:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=351636"},"modified":"2024-11-19T09:09:53","modified_gmt":"2024-11-19T08:09:53","slug":"aussie-solar-power-like-flooding-rain-we-cant-store-it-all","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=351636","title":{"rendered":"Aussie Solar Power: \u201cLike Flooding Rain, we Can\u2019t Store it All\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" data-attachment-id=\"351639\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=351639\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?fit=1024%2C576&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,576\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Rain-on-solar_Medium\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?fit=723%2C407&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?resize=723%2C407&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-351639\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2024\/11\/17\/aussie-solar-power-like-flooding-rain-we-cant-store-it-all\/\">Watts Up With That?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Essay by<\/strong> <a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/author\/eworrall1\/\">Eric Worrall<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The question \u2013 who pays for the solar power which has to be discarded?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Australia is awash with solar power. Like flooding rain, experts say we can\u2019t store it all<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Story by energy reporter Daniel Mercer<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The number of homes and businesses with a solar installation clicked past 4 million \u2014 barely 20 years since there was practically none anywhere in the country.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But all of this solar is prompting some hard questions, and gnashing of teeth, for one, simple reason \u2014 there is, at times, too much solar power in Australia\u2019s electricity systems to handle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">To deal with this abundance, experts say Australia needs to come to terms what appears a counter-intuitive argument.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>It needs to accept that much of this solar will have to be wasted \u2014 or spilled<\/strong>&nbsp;\u2014 sometimes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe minimum demand problem typically happens in the middle of the day on weekend days when you have a lot of solar output but maybe not a lot of demand,\u201d Dr Wonhas said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u201cAt that time, the electricity grid effectively becomes a little bit unstable.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2026Read more:\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msn.com\/en-au\/money\/markets\/australia-is-awash-with-solar-power-like-flooding-rain-experts-say-we-can-t-store-it-all\/ar-AA1ucYf6?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.msn.com\/en-au\/money\/markets\/australia-is-awash-with-solar-power-like-flooding-rain-experts-say-we-can-t-store-it-all\/ar-AA1ucYf6?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The author goes on to waffle about all the wonderful investment in batteries, which even in the most optimistic growth forecasts at best will cover a few minutes of national energy storage.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My question stands. Someone has to lose.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Will the cost of unwanted solar be passed to the owners of rooftop solar installations? Will they sometimes have to live with having their power bill benefit slashed, live with their rooftop systems not offsetting their power bills as much as they thought?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">How would the curtailing of expected revenue impact those fancy \u201cno cost solar\u201d contracts many low income householders signed, in which repayments are supposed to be charged to the grid buyback income? Do the contracts have a small print clause which makes homeowners liable for servicing the debt out of their own pocket, if solar revenues drop below an expected threshold?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Or will the cost of unwanted solar be loaded onto everyone elses energy bills, including the bills of poor people who live in high-rise apartments, who have no means of getting a foot in the door of the solar electricity bill rigging game?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Or will the Aussie government sell out the grandkids to the international banking cartel, by borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars to purchase additional battery storage capacity to soak up all that excess solar energy on the odd occasions it is generated, in the hope the stored power can be used before the batteries lose their charge?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Who is paying for those conventional generators which are being squeezed out of the market, but still have to be kept on standby, for those occasions when both solar and wind fail for a prolonged period of time? Like what happened in June this year, in the middle of our Southern Hemisphere winter?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-wp-embed is-provider-watts-up-with-that wp-block-embed-watts-up-with-that\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<blockquote class=\"wp-embedded-content\" data-secret=\"q59QeYymXn\"><a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2024\/06\/23\/cold-weather-gas-shortages-renewable-output-falls-bite-australia\/\">&#8220;Seasonal&#8221; Renewable Output Fail Bites Australia<\/a><\/blockquote><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-embedded-content\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts\" security=\"restricted\" style=\"position: absolute; visibility: hidden;\" title=\"&#8220;&#8220;Seasonal&#8221; Renewable Output Fail Bites Australia&#8221; &#8212; Watts Up With That?\" src=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2024\/06\/23\/cold-weather-gas-shortages-renewable-output-falls-bite-australia\/embed\/#?secret=yvVlAqjjEu#?secret=q59QeYymXn\" data-secret=\"q59QeYymXn\" width=\"600\" height=\"338\" frameborder=\"0\" marginwidth=\"0\" marginheight=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Just how unstable will the grid become on a sunny day? Or an overcast and windless day? Or a bitterly cold windless night? Aussies are still adding rooftop solar every day, squeezing out reliable fossil fuel powered generators, making it more expensive all the time to keep such generators on standby.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Someone has to lose \u2013 and nobody is saying who.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I guess we Aussies are about to find out. My big gasoline generator is ready for action. I think I\u2019m going to need it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The question \u2013 who pays for the solar power which has to be discarded?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":351639,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691818216,691819461,691831559,691818267],"class_list":["post-351636","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-australia","tag-energy-bills","tag-national-energy-storage","tag-solar-power","fallback-thumbnail"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/11\/0Rain-on-solar_Medium.webp?fit=1024%2C576&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1tty","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":262487,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=262487","url_meta":{"origin":351636,"position":0},"title":"Limits to Wind and Solar on the Grid: A Discussion","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"06\/16\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"Early adopters of solar and wind such as Texas or California are starting to see alarming signs of saturation even when the total energy production of intermittent sources barely reaches 24% of the total in those areas. 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