{"id":346108,"date":"2024-10-09T10:18:08","date_gmt":"2024-10-09T08:18:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=346108"},"modified":"2024-10-09T10:18:11","modified_gmt":"2024-10-09T08:18:11","slug":"right-cnn-there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-climate-haven-there-never-has-been","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=346108","title":{"rendered":"Right, CNN, There Is No Such Thing As A Climate Haven, There Never Has Been"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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Flooding in 1916, Asheville North Carolina<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

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From ClimateRealism<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Linnea Lueken<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n

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Flooding in 1916, Asheville North Carolina. Archival Photography by Steve Nicklas, NOS, NGS, Public domain, via Wikimedia Commons<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

A recent CNN article, \u201cPeople moved to Asheville to escape extreme weather. They forgot its tragic history<\/a>,\u201d claims that Asheville North Carolina, which recently suffered catastrophic flooding in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, was once considered a \u201cclimate haven\u201d but now is suffering from extreme weather because of climate change. This is false. It\u2019s a confused article, flashing back and forth between an accurate depiction of historical floods and false climate claims. In the end, CNN\u2019s article shows that the damage caused by Helene is nothing new for Asheville. Location and weather, not climate change, are responsible for the recent tragedy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

CNN begins by explaining that \u201csome\u201d media outlets (only one local station was referenced) claimed that Asheville was a \u201cclimate haven\u201d because it is far from the coast and isn\u2019t often struck by wildfires and other \u201cclimate extremes.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cSo-called climate migrants have long been arriving here from places like California, Arizona, and the coastal Carolinas, said Jesse Keenan, associate professor of sustainable real estate and urban planning at Tulane University,\u201d CNN writes, and follows it up with examples of people on internet forums claiming that Asheville lacks the threat of natural disasters that other cities across the country face.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These people were obviously misinformed, there is no place in the world that is \u201csafe\u201d from occasional extreme weather and natural disasters \u2013 regardless of climate change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

To prove that Helene was caused by climate change, CNN references a \u201crapid climate analysis<\/a> published Tuesday by scientists from Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory found fossil fuel pollution caused over 50 percent more rainfall in parts of Georgia and the Carolinas,\u201d and that global warming made rain 20 times more likely in the affected area. This is hogwash. Rapid attribution studies are not a genuine analysis of the weather, they analyzed nothing but counterfactuals within computer models. Presenting them as evidence is deceptive and the scientists responsible know it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Frequent readers of Climate Realism<\/em> know that the media heavily relies on attribution modelling<\/a> rather than actual available historical data to push the climate narrative, simply because attribution models start with the assumption<\/em> that human emissions have an impact on the weather. Real world data does not give this impression, in fact hurricane data does not show any increase<\/a> in the intensity or frequency of tropical cyclones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

While Climate Realism<\/em> has already covered alarmism surrounding Helene twice recently (here<\/a>, and here<\/a>) it\u2019s worth noting the flip-flopping within CNN\u2019s own article. After all the initial claims about climate-enhanced weather, the article suddenly shifts and admits that Asheville has, in fact, suffered similar disasters in the past, well before the modern warming period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Asheville, CNN writes, \u201cis vulnerable to flooding, as a long history attests.\u201d CNN goes on to describe back-to-back hurricane strikes in 1916 that triggered \u201cbiblical\u201d floods and was devastating to the city and people who lived there. CNN also lists a similar scenario as recently as 2004, where two storms \u201cconcentrated their highest rainfall<\/a> on western North Carolina, killing 11 people<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Had CNN checked it would have found, \u201cevery single county in North Carolina has had at least two major flood disasters since 1950 \u2013 either from rising rivers or hurricane surge,\u201d as the North Carolina Flood Insurance website<\/a> reports.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These instances of past extreme weather events debunk the narrative that Helene was somehow unprecedented or showed signs of \u201cclimate fingerprints\u201d as claimed by the so-called experts CNN cited.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Climate Realism<\/em> wasn\u2019t alone in noticing that North Carolina has never been a climate haven. On the Yahoo News page where the CNN post was republished, multiple commenters made similar observations:<\/p>\n\n\n

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The locals are knowledgeable about the danger they face by living in the valley, evidently determining that it is worth the risk. Newcomers, many of which were apparently horribly misinformed, from California and other places did not do their research and so have been taken by a terrible surprise. Media outlets like CNN do not have any excuse for burying the truth under climate hysteria and alarmist narratives when they clearly are aware of the region\u2019s weather history.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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A recent CNN article, \u201cPeople moved to Asheville to escape extreme weather. They forgot its tragic history,\u201d claims that Asheville North Carolina, which recently suffered catastrophic flooding in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene, was once considered a \u201cclimate haven\u201d but now is suffering from extreme weather because of climate change. This is false. 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