{"id":345505,"date":"2024-10-05T14:51:12","date_gmt":"2024-10-05T12:51:12","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=345505"},"modified":"2024-10-05T14:51:14","modified_gmt":"2024-10-05T12:51:14","slug":"the-vp-debate-moderators-put-their-lack-of-understanding-of-climate-and-weather-on-display","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=345505","title":{"rendered":"The VP debate moderators put their lack of understanding of climate and weather on display"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From CFACT<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Joe Bastardi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Arrogance and Ignorance were on display as to what drives the weather and climate opened the VP debate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The moderators who went after JD Vance with the climate line of questioning have no idea about the size of previous storms.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And I tweeted this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

HURRICANES ARE NOT GETTING BIGGER. CBS PROPAGANDA. So right off the bat, the question on the hurricane is based on a false premise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And on it went. Ignorance of anything that can challenge the dogma and arrogance on display with the CBS moderators.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

They likely have no idea if CO2 is causing some warming, and if so, how. , No idea about the relationship of WV to temperature explains nicely the bulk of the rise in temperatures, and where and when it is doing it most. And that it leads to less contrast between poles. and the equator and compensating reduction in some extreme events. No idea that global tropical activity is way down and has been for the past several years, especially this year.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Clueless that storms are SMALLER IN SIZE OVERALL and that HELENE WAS A THROWBACK TO STORMS OF OLD when CO2 was much less.. Clueless that the so-called consensus of scientists is among people that benefit from pushing that position. Yet there she was sneering with arrogance borne out of ignorance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I thought journalists were supposed to look at all sides of the issue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I can get maps of close to 100 storms as big or bigger than Helena. But here are a few from a day and age when CO2 was not being blamed for causing all this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

First here is the isobaric presentation of Helene 7 hours after landfall.<\/p>\n\n\n

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,Still a large storm but because like other storms she was bullwhipped inland. But you have to understand that a normal occurrence ( the jet stream buckling). and another normal occurrence ( A big forecasted hurricane from a pattern seen over 2 weeks out)<\/p>\n\n\n

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when combined can cause extreme events. We picked out Ian 9 days away with a similar pattern and in fact, used the Ian pattern to set this up, except from further out.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Remember this?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.cfact.org\/2022\/09\/21\/41023<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Do you think those moderators know anything about the pattern causing this, or the hurricane season so far, and why it shut down at the heart of the season?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.cfact.org\/2024\/09\/30\/the-whys-of-the-hurricane-season-so-far<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I am not a journalist, but at least I learned enough in school to show how I can look at contrary evidence. Obviously, those moderators do not know the least thing about that in this case ( you are free to make your own conclusion about other aspects of their debate performance)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But one normal occurrence combined with another normal occurrence can and does produce an extreme event. THAT IS NATURAL<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now look at  a1933 event  hitting near Va Beach but causing hurricane wind gusts to Long Island<\/p>\n\n\n

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By the way that was the same year 2 major hurricanes hit the US within 18 hours of each other. Do you think those moderators have any clue about that<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Look at the size of Donna in 1960  who gave hurricane winds to EVERY STATE on the East Coast Fla to Maine<\/p>\n\n\n

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Or Carla which had hurricane winds on every station of the Texas Gulf coast, a 400-mile range, compared to Harvey for instance, about 100 miles wide<\/p>\n\n\n

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This is\u00a0 the outrageous: The cloud shot of Carla covering most of the Gulf<\/p>\n\n\n

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Storms are not getting bigger.  Saying they are is a lie and lies are the mainstay of what this ilk uses, Deceit and distortion, a function of whatever delusion they are captured by. Storms are shorter-tracked tracked, more compact. THEY  DO GET AS STRONG AT THE CENTER but are not bigger.. This is why the Power and impact scale I speak about should be used, not Saffir Simpson. Then you won\u2019t have the kind of jibberish you see about some of these events.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So  they simply accept what they are told and then pretend they are some kind of authoritative fact checker ( You know they had this ready)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These are the SST\u2019s in 1954<\/p>\n\n\n

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The SST in 1985<\/p>\n\n\n

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While there are differences, there is essentially no major warming. Also in both cases waters around the Antarctic was WARMER than they have been in the 30-year mean. Isn\u2019t that interesting? ( another story for another time)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

During that time co2 was going up and the bands that caused the warming were saturated in 1951!<\/p>\n\n\n

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So why no warming when Le Chatelliers states that when a new input is added to the system is when the most warming should take place until an equilibrium is reached? Neither one of the sneering moderators can explain.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is what 1985 looked like in the SST anomalies on a more descriptive chart<\/p>\n\n\n

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this is what they look like now<\/p>\n\n\n

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What changed as far as INPUT to the system? The CO2 was still going up. Did the magic CO2 fairy decide it was time to get those saturated bands that are responsible for the warming and penetrate 1mm of the ocean to cause the warming?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Everyone knows my idea ( and a lot of you don\u2019t agree with it, which is fine with me, I am not always right). But one change was geothermal input that started in the late 80s<\/p>\n\n\n

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and this \u201cdo the math\u201d idea<\/p>\n\n\n

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I may not be right, BUT IT DAMN SURE IS NOT MAN MADE EMISSIONS THAT DID IT.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I will tell you this, no matter what you think causes the warming, it is more likely the introduction of an extra heat source from the earth has more to do with it than a natural gas that has been increasing at a steady state in saturated bands since 1951 and is simply helping to even out a co2 drought we are in.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But wait. there is more.  See how cold that 1985 SST is above and how warm it is now?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How is it there were 6 hurricane hits on the US coast in 1985 with water that cold ( that is the record, also set in 2020 and 2005 and other years)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

here is the hurricane season in 1985<\/p>\n\n\n

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Here are the impact storms so far this season with our red zone forecasting it FROM DEC 7!<\/p>\n\n\n

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Very much alike, despite the massive change in SST. So how do these moderators explain that?  They can\u2019t. Again it\u2019s ignorance, yet they snobbishly try to to trap one of the candidates with the question. And use the term. Hoax. Climate change is not a hoax. We all know that.  The climate has always changed, It\u2019s the nature of the system. So it\u2019s a smear based on lies.  What is to be questioned is how you can ask these questions without even knowing this counter information exists?  Are you not complicit in a hoax of deception as to the cause? Do you know Helene\u2019s pattern was set up over 2 weeks away? Did you know from a week away private sector meteorologists ( me and I am sure others) were warning clients about this including as that tweet said from Sept 8, all those southeast governors, Why is it you and all these phony climate warriors never start asking questions before, only pontificate after?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

One more thing. Is climate change leading to globally the downturn we have seen in the last 5 years and the near-record lows of ACE index this year? ( As I explained in the last blog which they did not read of course and if they did we wouldn\u2019t not have seen the sneering question) Yes, it is but in a way people on the left want no part of it since its the opposite of what they have been pushing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Just like crop failures, or arctic sea ice, or anything you wish to name where the planet is better off overall, despite the naturally occurring disasters that have to happen and are weaponized in the climate narrative.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And that moderators, whether the arrogance and ignorance was by design or accident,, exemplify the hypocrisy on the climate issue.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Arrogance and Ignorance were on display as to what drives the weather and climate opened the VP debate.<\/p>\n

The moderators who went after JD Vance with the climate line of questioning have no idea about the size of previous storms.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":345519,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691827130,691830804,691818104,691830803],"class_list":{"0":"post-345505","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-carbon-dioxide-co2","9":"tag-climate-and-weather-2","10":"tag-hurricanes","11":"tag-vp-debate-moderators","13":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/0Screenshot-2024-10-05-144149-1.png?fit=1164%2C724&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1rSF","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":348178,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=348178","url_meta":{"origin":345505,"position":0},"title":"Time to cool the heated climate rhetoric on hurricanes","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"21\/10\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Early on, during the Oct. 1 vice-presidential candidate debate between Gov. 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