{"id":344377,"date":"2024-09-24T17:03:30","date_gmt":"2024-09-24T15:03:30","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=344377"},"modified":"2024-09-24T17:03:33","modified_gmt":"2024-09-24T15:03:33","slug":"why-there-will-never-be-a-zero-emissions-electricity-system-powered-mainly-by-wind-and-sun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=344377","title":{"rendered":"Why There Will Never Be A Zero Emissions Electricity System Powered Mainly By Wind And Sun"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From The Manhattan Contrarian<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Francis Menton<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cNet Zero\u201d \u2014 That\u2019s the two-word slogan that has been adopted as the official goal of every virtuous state or country for decarbonizing its energy system. The \u201cnet\u201d part is backhanded recognition that some parts of the energy system (like maybe air travel or steelmaking) may never be fully de-carbonized. Thus some kind of offsets or indulgences may need to be accepted to claim achievement of the goal.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But the \u201cnet\u201d thing is not for the easy parts of decarbonization. And by the easy parts, I mean the generation of electricity, and the powering of anything that can be run on electricity or batteries. In electrifiable parts of the energy system, there is to be no tolerance for \u201cnet\u201d; only \u201czero emissions\u201d will do. The official line is that zero emissions electricity is easy and cheap because it can be provided by the wind and sun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The official line is wrong. As the build-out of these wind and solar generation systems continues to progress, it has become increasingly obvious that there will never be a zero-emissions electricity system powered mainly by wind and sun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The reason should be obvious to everyone although, for some reason I cannot understand, it is not. The reason is that the intermittency of wind and solar generators means that they require full back-up from some other source. But the back-up source will by hypothesis be woefully underused and idle most of the time so long as most of the electricity comes from wind and sun. No back-up source can possibly be economical under these conditions, and therefore nobody will develop and deploy such a source.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This issue has already arisen in many places, as increasing generation from wind and sun has put natural gas power plants into back-up mode, running half or less of the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Now consider how things are supposed to proceed as we move to zero-emissions electricity. First, we build more and more wind and solar facilities. Second, we disallow natural gas or any other hydrocarbon fuel as the back-up. Now the back-up must itself be zero-emissions, and also dispatchable. In New York, our regulators have devised the acronym DEFR (\u201cDispatchable Emissions-Free Resource\u201d). Several possibilities have been suggested as the DEFR, the main ones being nuclear, hydrogen, and batteries. All possibilities for the DEFR that have been suggested share the characteristic that they don\u2019t exist today at anything close to the scale that will be needed to fully back up an electricity system powered mainly by wind and sun. In other words, somebody will have to make a huge investment in one or more of these things on a grand scale if we are to have an electricity system powered mainly by wind and sun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Given New York\u2019s political environment, the regulators who have raised the need for the DEFR have generally buried their discussion of the subject deep in lengthy documents. Roger Caiazza, the Pragmatic Environmentalist of New York<\/a>, has done yeoman\u2019s work in digging up and highlighting these items. Roger has created a \u201cDispatchable Emissions Free Resource Page\u201d<\/a> where he has accumulated the key information.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For example, we have the Scoping Plan of the Climate Action Council, which Roger describes as \u201cthe \u2018official\u2019 Hochul Administration strategy description of the Climate Act transition.\u201d<\/em> The document is some 800+ pages of text plus appendices. Somehow, Roger made it to page 49 of Appendix G<\/a>, where he found this quote:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

During a week with persistently low solar and wind generation, additional firm zero-carbon resources, beyond the contributions of existing nuclear, imports, and hydro, are needed to avoid a significant shortfall; Figure 34 demonstrates the system needs during this type of week. During the first day of this week, most of the short-duration battery storage is quickly depleted, and there are still several days in which wind and solar are not sufficient to meet demand. A zero-carbon firm resource becomes essential to maintaining system reliability during such instances. In the modeled pathways, the need for a firm zero-carbon resource is met with hydrogen-based resources; ultimately, this system need could be met by a number of different emerging technologies.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is the Figure 34 that they mention:<\/p>\n\n\n

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It may be a little hard to read, but the dark gray is what they label the \u201cZero-Carbon Firm Capacity Need.\u201d The width of that dark gray section gets up to well over 20 GW during the illustrated low wind\/sun week. For reference, New York State\u2019s current average electricity usage is well less than 20 GW. Meanwhile, even during this low wind\/sun week there are times when this DEFR is not called on at all, and other times when it is called on for only a few GW.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So without saying so in as many words, they are telling us that as part of a predominantly wind\/sun system we will need to build DEFRs of capacity equal to or greater than our entire current average electricity usage. But if the electricity system is powered mainly by wind and sun, then by definition the DEFRs are only going to operate a minority of the time. We will have now built an entire fleet of new nuclear power plants capable of fulfilling our entire peak electricity demand. Or maybe it\u2019s an entire fleet of new hydrogen power plants of same capacity, or an entire fleet of grid-scale batteries of same capacity, only to keep them idle most of the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

These are extremely capital-intensive facilities, which can only hope to be economical if they are operated to as much of their capacity as possible. Instead the proposal is that will be intentionally kept idle most of the time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Who is going to make the investment in these DEFRs that will be kept mostly idle. Certainly, no private investors will do it without enormous government subsidies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And if we were to build an entire system of these DEFRs capable of supplying all of our electricity needs to back up worst-case wind\/sun lulls, wouldn\u2019t it make far more sense just to leave out the wind and solar generation and go with the DEFRs all the time? Of course it would.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

At some point this is going to become too obvious to ignore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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\u201cNet Zero\u201d \u2014 That\u2019s the two-word slogan that has been adopted as the official goal of every virtuous state or country for decarbonizing its energy system. The \u201cnet\u201d part is backhanded recognition that some parts of the energy system (like maybe air travel or steelmaking) may never be fully de-carbonized. 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