{"id":340344,"date":"2024-08-22T16:24:31","date_gmt":"2024-08-22T14:24:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=340344"},"modified":"2024-08-22T16:24:33","modified_gmt":"2024-08-22T14:24:33","slug":"the-short-lives-of-wind-turbines","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=340344","title":{"rendered":"The Short Lives of Wind\u00a0Turbines"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"458\" data-attachment-id=\"340356\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340356\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?fit=2000%2C1268&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2000,1268\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0,3d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?fit=723%2C458&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=723%2C458&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340356\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=1024%2C649&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=300%2C190&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=768%2C487&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=1536%2C974&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?resize=1200%2C761&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?w=2000&amp;ssl=1 2000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/03d97f911-594f-4257-880c-d9aa1c6da22d.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/2024\/08\/21\/the-short-lives-of-wind-turbines\/\">Science Matters <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/author\/ronaldrc\/\">Ron Clutz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"481\" data-attachment-id=\"340346\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340346\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?fit=996%2C662&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"996,662\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0wind-turbine-rip\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?fit=723%2C481&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?resize=723%2C481&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340346\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?w=996&amp;ssl=1 996w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?resize=300%2C199&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0wind-turbine-rip.png?resize=768%2C510&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a recent short video (below) John Burgess summarizes\u00a0<strong>why wind farms become unviable long before promoters promised.<\/strong>\u00a0He explains that after about 15 years wind farms are<strong>\u00a0uneconomic to keep going.<\/strong>\u00a0Also the far more reliable<strong>\u00a0older smaller under 2 MW turbines have a longer life<\/strong>. All based on the work of one professor \u2013 Gordon Hughes.who did some brilliant work on wind farm costs some three years ago. For those preferring to read, I provide a transcript lightly edited from closed captions in italics with my bolds, key exhibits and added images.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/xHN9BCCg-f0?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em><strong>Paul Burgess Basics 2 The Lifespan of Wind Turbines<\/strong><\/em><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>This video is on the lifespan of wind turbines. In this video and quite a few others actually, I\u2019m going to be&nbsp;<strong>relying on the work of Professor Gordon Hughes<\/strong>&nbsp;and a document you should all read is this one The&nbsp;<strong>link to Hughes\u2019 study is in the title in red below.<\/strong>&nbsp;That video was produced three years ago but had very few views less than a thousand. My job is to bring these stories to the public and his work is extremely valuable, so this video is based on that.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"381\" height=\"158\" data-attachment-id=\"340348\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340348\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-485.png?fit=381%2C158&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"381,158\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-485.png?fit=381%2C158&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-485.png?resize=381%2C158&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340348\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-485.png?w=381&amp;ssl=1 381w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-485.png?resize=300%2C124&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 381px) 100vw, 381px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.ref.org.uk\/ref-blog\/365-wind-power-economics-rhetoric-and-reality\"><strong>Wind Power Economics \u2013 Rhetoric and Reality<\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/h4>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Here we go the lifespan of turbines.&nbsp;<strong>&nbsp;Shock Horror.<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>Wind turbines<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>gradually wear out<\/strong>&nbsp;and they do&nbsp;<\/em><em>it<strong>&nbsp;faster than you think<\/strong>. As I have explained, the<strong>&nbsp;load factor for a wind farm is the percentage of the actual electricity you get<\/strong>&nbsp;out of it in the real world compared to a purely theoretical maximum, the maximum being every second of the Year it blows perfectly and everything you get 100%. What percentage of that do we actually get, that\u2019s the load factor.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>Typically for onshore wind farms in the UK Island Etc it\u2019s 26 to 30%<\/strong>, in that sort of range. The bigger ones, the higher ones may get into the low30s. So that\u2019s the load Factor but that doesn\u2019t stay the same. It actually deteriorates.&nbsp;<strong>These things wear out as they go, and they actually deteriorate at quite a rate, around about 3% per year<\/strong>. And so what matters with load factors\u2013 no excuses. If it has to be stopped for maintenance that reduces a load Factor, because it\u2019s a real world measurement of what you produce.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"477\" data-attachment-id=\"340349\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340349\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?fit=817%2C539&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"817,539\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?fit=723%2C477&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?resize=723%2C477&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340349\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?w=817&amp;ssl=1 817w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?resize=300%2C198&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-486.png?resize=768%2C507&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Now Denmark kept really good records of their turbines. And here is a diagram that explains a few things about them. The results are quite remarkable. This graph looks complicated, but it\u2019s a&nbsp;<strong>graph to show basically the failure rate over time for wind turbines<\/strong>. And it\u2019s constructed&nbsp;<strong>from a large number of wind turbines in Denmark.<\/strong>&nbsp;On this&nbsp;<strong>vertical axis<\/strong>&nbsp;is how much of the&nbsp;<strong>energy<\/strong>&nbsp;is&nbsp;<strong>lost<\/strong>, which affects the load factors. We start off with almost zero so&nbsp;<strong>nothing is lost<\/strong>. We\u2019re getting the expected performance, and that seems to be the case here&nbsp;<strong>for almost two years<\/strong>. But as you go up that axis and you&nbsp;<strong>go to the very top,<\/strong>&nbsp;there\u2019s nothing left at all, There\u2019s no energy output.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Now there are<strong>&nbsp;four colors of Curves,<\/strong>&nbsp;The<strong>&nbsp;higher two<\/strong>&nbsp;are for offshore, showing&nbsp;<strong>Old Generation and New Generation offshore.<\/strong>&nbsp;The<strong>&nbsp;lower two<\/strong>&nbsp;are for&nbsp;<strong>onshore<\/strong>, again&nbsp;<strong>Old Generation and New Generation.<\/strong>&nbsp;The&nbsp;<strong>new generation<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>have higher turbine values<\/strong>&nbsp;and this comprises turbines up to 8 megawatts. They\u2019re much worse than the older generation; they&nbsp;<strong>deteriorate much faster<\/strong>, and you can see that from the curves. Reading a curve is quite amazing. Let\u2019s<strong>&nbsp;look at what point you\u2019ve lost 60%<\/strong>&nbsp;of the energy coming out the wind farm. For&nbsp;<strong>Offshore New Generation<\/strong>&nbsp;the answer there is just<strong>&nbsp;60 months or 5 years.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So 60% of those offshore modern turbines have failed within 5 years.&nbsp;<strong>Obviously they have to repair them all the time<\/strong>&nbsp;and therefore there\u2019s a&nbsp;<strong>big rising cost<\/strong>&nbsp;to all this. But looking quickly at what we get from&nbsp;<strong>onshore modern ones<\/strong>&nbsp;which is the orange curve here. Let\u2019s check when<strong>&nbsp;20%<\/strong>&nbsp;of the turbines are&nbsp;<strong>failed<\/strong>, that\u2019s one out of five turbines, and that is at about<strong>&nbsp;68 months<\/strong>&nbsp;or about 5 to six years.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"717\" height=\"537\" data-attachment-id=\"340351\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340351\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?fit=717%2C537&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"717,537\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?fit=717%2C537&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?resize=717%2C537&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340351\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?w=717&amp;ssl=1 717w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?resize=600%2C450&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?resize=400%2C300&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-487.png?resize=200%2C150&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 717px) 100vw, 717px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>You can expect failures so these things they had<strong>&nbsp;to be repaired<\/strong>, which&nbsp;<strong>puts the costs up. So what are the running costs of these turbines?<\/strong>&nbsp;This graph of&nbsp;<strong>one axis<\/strong>&nbsp;shows how many&nbsp;<strong>thousands of pounds per megawatt of installed capacity you actually pay out per year.<\/strong>&nbsp;And the&nbsp;<strong>bottom scale<\/strong>&nbsp;is the length of time, how much those&nbsp;<strong>costs rise<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>over time.<\/strong>&nbsp;And as you can see the lower line is the older generation and the&nbsp;<strong>Top Line the newer generation<\/strong>, such as&nbsp;<strong>they are putting into the Isle of Man<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So let\u2019s take Isle of Man as an example. They\u2019re going to&nbsp;<strong>install 20 megawatts worth,<\/strong>&nbsp;so let\u2019s look at the running cost and these are&nbsp;<strong>in 2018 prices,<\/strong>&nbsp;so the costs have risen since then. You can see taking the<strong>&nbsp;Isle of Man modern turbines we start off at \u00a374,000 a year per megawatt<\/strong>, and we end at about \u00a3100,000 a year after 12 years per megawatt of installed capacity.&nbsp;<strong>So<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>we start<\/strong>&nbsp;off with 74 times in this case&nbsp;<strong>for 20 megawatts for the Isle of Man<\/strong>&nbsp;which is&nbsp;<strong>1.48 million a year and we end up at a neat 2 million a year in running costs. And that keeps rising.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>This basically shows that after about 15 years<br>it\u2019s no longer worth maintaining the wind Farm.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>Offshore wind<\/strong>\u00a0of course is<strong>\u00a0much more expensiv<\/strong>e\u00a0<strong>starting<\/strong>\u00a0off at around about<strong>\u00a0\u00a3200,000 a year and ending up at \u00a3400,000 a year per megawatt<\/strong>, three to four times the price of onshore.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"710\" data-attachment-id=\"340353\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=340353\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?fit=1080%2C1060&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1080,1060\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0windmills-zero-gain\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?fit=723%2C710&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=723%2C710&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-340353\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=1024%2C1005&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=300%2C294&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=768%2C754&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?resize=60%2C60&amp;ssl=1 60w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0windmills-zero-gain.png?w=1080&amp;ssl=1 1080w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>I am aware that that raises lots of questions and they will be answered in following videos. Why is it if it\u2019s about 15 years that you\u2019ve had some forms carry on Beyond? And so on.\u00a0<strong>The whole thing seems to me to be a Ponzi scheme<\/strong>, it really does. 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