{"id":339680,"date":"2024-08-15T11:01:58","date_gmt":"2024-08-15T09:01:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=339680"},"modified":"2024-08-15T11:02:00","modified_gmt":"2024-08-15T09:02:00","slug":"green-hydrogen-subsidies-are-1900x-larger-than-whats-given-to-nuclear","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=339680","title":{"rendered":"\u201cGreen\u201d Hydrogen Subsidies Are 1,900x Larger Than What\u2019s Given To Nuclear"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"580\" data-attachment-id=\"339690\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339690\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C821&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,821\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0hindenburg-1024&amp;#215;821\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?fit=723%2C580&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?resize=723%2C580&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339690\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?resize=300%2C241&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?resize=768%2C616&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/wattsupwiththat.com\/2024\/08\/13\/green-hydrogen-subsidies-are-1900x-larger-than-whats-given-to-nuclear\/\">Watts Up With That?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By <a href=\"https:\/\/robertbryce.substack.com\/p\/federal-subsidies-for-green-hydrogen?publication_id=630873&amp;post_id=147638472&amp;isFreemail=true&amp;r=i0qp4&amp;triedRedirect=true\">Robert Bryce Substack<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Robert Bryce<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Hydrogen producers can get up to $25B per EJ in federal tax credits! That\u2019s 9x solar, 47x wind, &amp; 1,800x hydrocarbons; I\u2019ll be talking H2 &amp; alt-energy in Eldorado, TX on Thursday<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"578\" data-attachment-id=\"339682\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339682\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?fit=2560%2C2046&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,2046\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?fit=723%2C578&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=723%2C578&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339682\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=1024%2C818&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=768%2C614&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=1536%2C1228&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=2048%2C1637&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?resize=1200%2C959&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-304.png?w=2169&amp;ssl=1 2169w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The hydrogen sector caught fire in 1937. Photo:&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/commons.wikimedia.org\/wiki\/File:Hindenburg_disaster.jpg\">Wikimedia<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The late Charlie Munger was among the most successful investors of the modern era. Munger, who died late last year,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Charlie_Munger#:~:text=At%20the%20time%20of%20his,the%20world%2C%20according%20to%20Forbes.&amp;text=Munger%20was%20a%20major%20benefactor%20of%20the%20University%20of%20Michigan.\">was the vice chairman at Berkshire Hathaway<\/a>, the conglomerate headed by his friend and colleague, Warren Buffett. Munger, a native of Omaha, had many pithy sayings, but among his most memorable was: \u201cShow me the incentives, and I\u2019ll show you the outcome.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whenever you wonder why the U.S. isn\u2019t building more nuclear power plants and is instead lavishing hundreds of billions of dollars on politically popular forms of alt-energy, remember Munger\u2019s line.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As I noted in May in \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/robertbryce.substack.com\/p\/the-h-in-hydrogen-stands-for-hype\">The H Stands For Hype<\/a>,\u201d few segments of the energy sector have gotten more media hype in recent years than hydrogen. That hype has gone into overdrive because of fat government subsidies. The German government has earmarked some $14.2 billion for investment in about two dozen hydrogen projects. I continued:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here in the U.S.,&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.energy.gov\/sites\/default\/files\/2023-12\/Assessing_Lifecycle_Greenhouse_Gas_Emissions_Associated_with_Electricity_Use_for_the_Section_45V_Clean_Hydrogen_Production_Tax_Credit.pdf\">the 45V tax credit in the Inflation Reduction Act<\/a>&nbsp;provides lucrative subsidies for hydrogen production. Big business is lining up to get those subsidies. In February, energy giant Exxon Mobil warned that it&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.hydrogeninsight.com\/production\/exxonmobil-threatens-to-scrap-worlds-largest-blue-hydrogen-project-over-us-emissions-criteria-for-tax-credits\/2-1-1603061\">might cancel a proposed hydrogen project at its Baytown, Texas<\/a>&nbsp;refinery depending on how the Treasury Department interpreted the \u201cclean\u201d hydrogen rules in the IRA. Regardless of tax credits and subsidies, making and using hydrogen is a high-entropy, high-cost process. As a friend in the oil refining business told me last year, \u201cIf you like $6-per-gallon gasoline, you\u2019re gonna love $14-to-$20-per-gallon hydrogen.\u201d\u2026Hydrogen is insanely expensive, in energy terms, to manufacture. It takes about three units of energy, in the form of electricity, to produce two units of hydrogen energy. In other words, the hydrogen economy requires scads of electricity (a high quality form of energy) to make a tiny molecule that\u2019s hard to handle, difficult to store, and expensive to use.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">On Thursday, I\u2019ll be speaking about hydrogen and alt-energy in Eldorado, Texas. I was invited to speak in Eldorado by a group of local ranchers who are concerned about a proposed hydrogen project in Schleicher and Tom Green Counties that is being pushed by ET Fuels, a Dublin-based firm. The event is free and open to the public. The caption for my talk: \u201cMoney, Physics, &amp; The Backlash Against Alt-Energy.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"577\" data-attachment-id=\"339683\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339683\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?fit=992%2C792&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"992,792\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?fit=723%2C577&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?resize=723%2C577&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339683\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?w=992&amp;ssl=1 992w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?resize=300%2C240&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-305.png?resize=768%2C613&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The ranchers are also concerned about other massive alt-energy projects being proposed for the Edwards Plateau. Two publicly traded companies \u2014 Apex Clean Energy, a subsidiary of Ares Management Corporation (<a href=\"https:\/\/finance.yahoo.com\/quote\/ARES\/\">market cap: $44 billion<\/a>), and NextEra Energy (<a href=\"https:\/\/finance.yahoo.com\/quote\/NEE\/\">market cap: $159 billion<\/a>) \u2014 are also developing hydrogen projects in the region. As I have previously reported, NextEra has become an expert at subsidy mining. The company\u2019s latest 10-K filing shows&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.investor.nexteraenergy.com\/~\/media\/Files\/N\/NEE-IR\/reports-and-fillings\/annual-reports\/2023\/2023_Annual%20Report_NEE.pdf\">it has nearly $3.7 billion in tax credit carryforwards<\/a>&nbsp;that it will use to defray its future tax bills. Apex and NextEra are reportedly planning to lease and pave hundreds of thousands of acres on the Edwards Plateau with solar panels and wind turbines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Now, back to hydrogen. It\u2019s the most common element in the universe. It\u2019s also one of the most difficult to produce and manage. About 98% of global hydrogen production now comes from hydrocarbons, with some&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41467-023-41107-x\">75% from natural gas via the steam methane reforming process<\/a>. Oil refiners use a lot of hydrogen to remove sulfur from motor fuel. Water electrolysis, producing hydrogen by splitting water molecules, accounts for less than 2% of world hydrogen output. Why does electrolysis account for such a small percentage? The answer is simple: it requires vast amounts of electricity.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Under rules published earlier this year by the Treasury Department and Internal Revenue Service, hydrogen producers can collect $3 per kilogram of hydrogen under the production tax credit&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.aoshearman.com\/en\/insights\/takeaways-from-treasurys-proposed-regulations-on-us-tax-credits-for-clean-hydrogen-production\">if they use electricity from low- or no-carbon sources<\/a>. (The exact amount is less than 0.45 kilograms of greenhouse gas per kg of hydrogen.)&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/home.treasury.gov\/policy-issues\/tax-policy\/tax-expenditures\">According to the latest figures from the Treasury Department<\/a>, the PTC is the single most expensive energy-related tax expenditure in the federal code. &nbsp;Between 2024 and 2033, the PTC is expected to cost some $276.6 billion. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In Schleicher County, ET Fuels plans to capitalize on the PTC. It aims to build 600 megawatts of alt-energy capacity, split evenly between wind and solar, to fuel electrolyzers that will produce hydrogen from local groundwater. (The company plans to convert the hydrogen into methanol for motor fuel for ocean-going ships.) That means ET Fuels will be eligible for the $3\/kg subsidy. How does that stack up to other subsidies and the market price of natural gas? The numbers are simply astonishing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"405\" data-attachment-id=\"339685\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339685\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?fit=2090%2C1170&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2090,1170\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?fit=723%2C405&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=723%2C405&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339685\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=1024%2C573&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=300%2C168&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=768%2C430&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=1536%2C860&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=2048%2C1146&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?resize=1200%2C672&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-306.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Before we jump into the subsidies, a quick refresher on SI units and exajoules (EJ) should be helpful. As seen above, 1 EJ is roughly equal to 1 quadrillion Btu. It\u2019s also approximately equal to the energy contained in 1 trillion cubic feet of natural gas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"406\" data-attachment-id=\"339686\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339686\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?fit=2088%2C1172&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2088,1172\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?fit=723%2C406&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=723%2C406&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339686\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=1024%2C575&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=300%2C168&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=768%2C431&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=1536%2C862&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=2048%2C1150&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?resize=1200%2C674&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-307.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">As you may recall, I\u2019ve been tracking federal alt-energy subsidies for a while. I wrote two pieces on the subject last year, including\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/robertbryce.substack.com\/p\/solar-energy-is-getting-200-times\">this piece<\/a>\u00a0(denominated in EJ) and\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/robertbryce.substack.com\/p\/actually-solar-is-getting-302-times\">this one<\/a>\u00a0(denominated in quads). One kilo of hydrogen contains about 120 megajoules (MJ) of energy. That means hydrogen producers can collect tax credits of $0.025 per MJ of energy produced. As seen above, that works out to $25 billion per EJ, which is more than 9 times what\u2019s given to solar and a whopping 1,900 times the amount given to nuclear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"405\" data-attachment-id=\"339688\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=339688\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?fit=2082%2C1166&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2082,1166\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?fit=723%2C405&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=723%2C405&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-339688\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=1024%2C573&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=300%2C168&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=768%2C430&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=1536%2C860&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=2048%2C1147&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?resize=1200%2C672&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/image-308.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The numbers are similarly gobsmacking when comparing hydrogen subsidies with the market price of natural gas. Natural gas prices have increased over the past week or two and now stand at about $2.17 per million Btu. Thus, the tax credit for \u201cgreen\u201d hydrogen is worth 11 times the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.cmegroup.com\/markets\/energy\/natural-gas\/natural-gas.quotes.html\">current market price of natural gas<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I will close with another Munger quote: \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/buffett.cnbc.com\/video\/2016\/04\/30\/munger-if-you-have-a-dumb-incentive-system-you-get-dumb-outcomes.html\">If you have a dumb incentive system, you get dumb outcomes<\/a>.\u201d It\u2019s hard to conjure a dumber incentive system than one that gives hydrogen producers tax credits 1,900 times larger than those given to nuclear energy producers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">I will be writing more about the hydrogen push in Texas and the rural backlash against alt-energy over the coming weeks. If you happen to be in Eldorado on Thursday afternoon, stop by the Schleicher County Civic Center. It will be fun.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The late Charlie Munger was among the most successful investors of the modern era. Munger, who died late last year,\u00a0was the vice chairman at Berkshire Hathaway, the conglomerate headed by his friend and colleague, Warren Buffett. Munger, a native of Omaha, had many pithy sayings, but among his most memorable was: \u201cShow me the incentives, and I\u2019ll show you the outcome.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":339690,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691819849,691818576,691818299],"class_list":{"0":"post-339680","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-green-hydrogen","9":"tag-inflation-reduction-act","10":"tag-subsidies","12":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0hindenburg-1024x821-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C821&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1qmI","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":342095,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=342095","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":0},"title":"Invasion Of The Water Snatchers","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"06\/09\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Drought has hit Schleicher County hard. Lots of the stock tanks are dry. The only plants that appear to be thriving on this part of the Edwards Plateau are scrawny mesquite trees and the ever-present prickly pear cactus.","rel":"","context":"In \"green hydrogen\"","block_context":{"text":"green hydrogen","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=green-hydrogen"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/0acac88dc-0ca3-41d8-a3da-f26b2edb3b4c_1431x878.jpg?fit=1200%2C736&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/0acac88dc-0ca3-41d8-a3da-f26b2edb3b4c_1431x878.jpg?fit=1200%2C736&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/0acac88dc-0ca3-41d8-a3da-f26b2edb3b4c_1431x878.jpg?fit=1200%2C736&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/0acac88dc-0ca3-41d8-a3da-f26b2edb3b4c_1431x878.jpg?fit=1200%2C736&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/09\/0acac88dc-0ca3-41d8-a3da-f26b2edb3b4c_1431x878.jpg?fit=1200%2C736&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":235646,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=235646","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":1},"title":"Green Energy is Like Breaking Windows","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"22\/12\/2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Zero Carbon Means Killing Real Jobs with Promises of Green Jobs","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/00Screenshot-2022-12-22-202128.png?fit=1059%2C603&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/00Screenshot-2022-12-22-202128.png?fit=1059%2C603&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/00Screenshot-2022-12-22-202128.png?fit=1059%2C603&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/00Screenshot-2022-12-22-202128.png?fit=1059%2C603&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/00Screenshot-2022-12-22-202128.png?fit=1059%2C603&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":284000,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=284000","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":2},"title":"Green Hydrogen Needs Vast Subsidies","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"19\/10\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"Hydrogen is\u00a0not a fuel. Hydrogen must be\u00a0created;\u00a0it must be made from another energy source, just as electricity must be made from\u00a0other\u00a0energy. Global hydrogen trade may be just a pipe dream. From \u00a0Master Resource By Steve Goreham \u201cHydrogen from electrolysis, called green hydrogen, typically\u00a0costs\u00a0more than $5 per kilogram, or more than\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"CO2\"","block_context":{"text":"CO2","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=co2"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Screenshot-2021-01-26-at-17.webp?fit=1027%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Screenshot-2021-01-26-at-17.webp?fit=1027%2C500&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Screenshot-2021-01-26-at-17.webp?fit=1027%2C500&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Screenshot-2021-01-26-at-17.webp?fit=1027%2C500&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":292517,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=292517","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":3},"title":"Biden Admin\u2019s Latest Subsidy Proposal May Undercut Its Own Green Energy Agenda","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"24\/12\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"The Biden administration proposed eligibility rules for hydrogen industry subsidies Friday, but some conditions may ultimately stymie innovation and production of the technology, Bloomberg News reported.","rel":"","context":"In \"Green Energy\"","block_context":{"text":"Green Energy","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=green-energy"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/0Green_H2_Generation_Plants_IDOM.jpg?fit=1200%2C612&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/0Green_H2_Generation_Plants_IDOM.jpg?fit=1200%2C612&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/0Green_H2_Generation_Plants_IDOM.jpg?fit=1200%2C612&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/0Green_H2_Generation_Plants_IDOM.jpg?fit=1200%2C612&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/0Green_H2_Generation_Plants_IDOM.jpg?fit=1200%2C612&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":328919,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=328919","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":4},"title":"The H Stands For Hype","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"14\/05\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"The Sun is mainly made of hydrogen. But there is nothing new under the Sun, and that includes hydrogen.","rel":"","context":"In \"Germany\"","block_context":{"text":"Germany","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=germany"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/0bnr-demystifying-hydrogen-power.webp?fit=1200%2C469&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/0bnr-demystifying-hydrogen-power.webp?fit=1200%2C469&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/0bnr-demystifying-hydrogen-power.webp?fit=1200%2C469&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/0bnr-demystifying-hydrogen-power.webp?fit=1200%2C469&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/0bnr-demystifying-hydrogen-power.webp?fit=1200%2C469&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":301851,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=301851","url_meta":{"origin":339680,"position":5},"title":"Can the Government Create a Green Hydrogen Fuel Industry?","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"15\/02\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"World leaders promote hydrogen as a possible low-emissions fuel for transportation and industry. Nations have announced hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies to support development and supply of hydrogen. But will governments be able to create a new green hydrogen fuel industry?","rel":"","context":"In \"billions of dollars in subsidies\"","block_context":{"text":"billions of dollars in subsidies","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=billions-of-dollars-in-subsidies"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/0-green-hydrgen.jpeg?fit=1200%2C702&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/0-green-hydrgen.jpeg?fit=1200%2C702&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/0-green-hydrgen.jpeg?fit=1200%2C702&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/0-green-hydrgen.jpeg?fit=1200%2C702&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/02\/0-green-hydrgen.jpeg?fit=1200%2C702&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/339680","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/121246920"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=339680"}],"version-history":[{"count":5,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/339680\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":339691,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/339680\/revisions\/339691"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/339690"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=339680"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=339680"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=339680"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}