{"id":338050,"date":"2024-07-31T07:30:07","date_gmt":"2024-07-31T05:30:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=338050"},"modified":"2024-07-31T07:30:10","modified_gmt":"2024-07-31T05:30:10","slug":"impossible-green-hydrogen-dream-laws-of-physics-bust-climate-cults-latest-energy-myth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=338050","title":{"rendered":"Impossible \u2018Green\u2019 Hydrogen Dream: Laws of Physics Bust Climate Cult\u2019s Latest Energy\u00a0Myth"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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As the grand wind and solar transition unravels, \u2018green\u2019 hydrogen is like the last redoubt \u2013 acolytes armed with little more than delusional mantras keep telling us that hydrogen gas \u2013 produced using nothing but electricity generated (occasionally) by wind turbines and solar panels \u2013 will not only solve their hopeless and chaotic intermittency, but lead to a place somewhere between Nirvana and Utopia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is, of course, just another piece of cynical and mercenary propaganda pitched up to allow crony capitalists to profit at your expense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The trouble for cultists is that no amount of wishing and hoping (or indeed subsidies) can overcome the immutable laws of physics.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Those laws have results are come back to bite, such as the inherent difficulty of storing and transporting hydrogen gas<\/a> \u2013 as seen in Norway when the hydrogen gas refuelling station depicted above did its very best\u2019 Hindenburg impression.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the first piece, John Gideon Hartnett explains how those laws mean that so-called green hydrogen and little more than a climate cultist\u2019s wet dream.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the second, Graham Lloyd explains how the hopeless economics has rendered that dream out of reach for even the most brazen rent seekers, like Australia\u2019s billionaire iron ore mining magnate, Twiggy Forrest.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydrogen Gas: another Climate Cult myth busted<\/strong>
The Spectator
John Gideon Hartnett
16 July 2024<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The Climate Cult promotes the myth of hydrogen gas as the salvation of the planet from catastrophic global boiling. The billionaire climate rent-seekers tell us that hydrogen power is the answer because the only emissions it puts out are water vapour. Hydrogen fuel cells are cited as an example.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the following, I present a physicist\u2019s examination of hydrogen gas in the context of the cult\u2019s claims.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Before I started my investigation, I was well aware of the futility of their false religious beliefs because the fundamental laws of physics are a barrier that cannot be overcome by feelings, rhetoric, and legislation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydrogen Fuel Cells
<\/strong>Fuel cells have been used by Nasa since the mid-1960s to generate power for satellites and space capsules because they are a compact power source. They are also used to provide power in remote or inaccessible areas and in fuel cell powered vehicles, especially submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n

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(L) NASA designed fuel cell. (R) Schematic of fuel cell. Source: Wikipedia<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

A fuel cell involves an electrochemical reaction with the transfer of electrons between an electrode (cathode and anode) and a chemical species adjacent to the electrode. The fuel cell consumes hydrogen and oxygen, combining them in a controlled manner to produce electricity and water vapour. No carbon dioxide is emitted.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The practical realisation of a fuel cell is not so straightforward. The reaction between hydrogen and oxygen in the cell will not take place spontaneously at ambient temperatures. It is not a thermodynamically favoured reaction. The physics of the universe requires that the reaction must be catalysed in low-temperature fuel cells.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

And while the oxygen required by a fuel cell can be obtained from air, there is no natural source of hydrogen today. This means that the hydrogen for a fuel cell must be manufactured and for most fuel cells this is achieved by carrying out some process using natural gas, which is extracted from the crust of the planet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There are really only two practical methods to produce hydrogen gas \u2013 Steam Reforming and Methane Pyrolysis. The other mythical fairy-tale Climate Cult methods I\u2019ll deal with last.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Steam Reforming Hydrogen
<\/strong>Steam reforming natural gas produces hydrogen gas but also it generates carbon dioxide and requires a lot of energy. Therefore, the principle benefit of the fuel cell, that it produces only water, is no longer applicable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Besides, if no carbon dioxide comes out of the tailpipe of the vehicle but is produced elsewhere and the net energy is a debt, how is that green or energy efficient?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is easy to see that if this process is somehow used to obtain the hydrogen gas, a fuel cell using natural gas cannot be as efficient as one that is fuelled with pure hydrogen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So\u2026 Where do you get pure hydrogen without also generating carbon dioxide?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You can\u2019t because it does not exist on Earth. This is because our planet was providentially endowed with carbon already combined with hydrogen. That is the methane and the other alkanes, comprising natural gas. Read Abiogenic Deep Origin of Hydrocarbons: Not Fossils But Primordial<\/em><\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The steam-reforming technology produces hydrogen gas from methane gas extracted from natural gas wells. It is widely used in industry but with an energy penalty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Natural gas, which includes methane (CH4), is converted to hydrogen by thermal processes including steam-methane reformation and partial oxidation. Below is a schematic of that process for those who have to know.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Natural gas reforming (Source<\/a>)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

Natural gas is the most cost-effective feedstock compared to other so-called \u2018fossil fuels\u2019, partly because it is readily available, simple to handle, and has a high hydrogen-to-carbon ratio that minimises the formation of carbon dioxide (CO2) as a by-product.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydrogen gas (H2) is produced by this method in which high-temperature steam (H2O) is used to extract hydrogen from a methane (CH4) source. Steam reforming is endothermic, which means that the process must be heated in order for the reaction to proceed. Temperatures between 700 \u00b0C and 1,000 \u00b0C are required. The reaction equation is as follows.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

CH4 + H2O + heat \u2192 CO + 3H2 (endothermic i.e. consumes a lot of heat)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Following that, carbon monoxide (CO) and steam (H2O) are then reacted with a catalyst to create carbon dioxide (CO2) and more hydrogen (H2) in a process known as the water-gas shift reaction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

CO + H2O \u2192 CO2+ H2+ heat (slightly exothermic i.e. produces a little heat)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Carbon dioxide and other impurities are separated from the gas stream in a final process stage called pressure-swing adsorption, leaving pure hydrogen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Other hydrocarbons, such as ethanol, propane, or even diesel, are converted into hydrogen through steam reforming.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydrogen produced by steam reforming is termed \u2018grey hydrogen\u2019 when the carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere and \u2018blue hydrogen\u2019 when the carbon dioxide is captured and stored in deep wells underground i.e. carbon capture sequestration.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Methane Pyrolysis Hydrogen
<\/strong>Methane pyrolysis is an industrial process for hydrogen production from methane by removing solid carbon from natural gas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The one-step process produces hydrogen in large volumes at a lower cost than steam reforming with carbon sequestration. No greenhouse gases are released to the atmosphere and no deep well injection of carbon dioxide is needed. The process requires high temperatures of around 1,065 \u00b0C and that means an enormous energy input.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

That is fine if you need to produce hydrogen on a large scale to manufacture nitrogen fertilisers. However, the process is very much defeated by the energy costs if you were trying to use the hydrogen to produce cheap energy without carbon dioxide as a by-product.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is the same process that the large chemical manufacturers were using in Europe before the Western powers blew up the Nord Stream pipeline severing the supply of natural gas to German fertiliser producers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mythical \u2018Green\u2019 Hydrogen
<\/strong>The Climate Cult wants to find a source of zero carbon dioxide emission energy so that they can produce hydrogen and oxygen by thermochemical water splitting<\/strong> or by electrolysis of water<\/strong>, in order that they can in turn produce energy from reacting those gases together resulting in water vapour as the only by-product. Zero carbon dioxide emissions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mythical zero carbon \u2018green\u2019 hydrogen is allegedly produced by high-temperature thermochemical water splitting<\/strong> using solar thermal generation, zero-carbon electricity or waste heat. Thermochemical water splitting requires a very high energy input, which is what you are trying to get out of the hydrogen gas you generate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Water splitting using electrolysis<\/strong> is where an application of an electric current is used to break the water molecules into oxygen and hydrogen. To produce \u2018green\u2019 hydrogen this way from zero-carbon electricity is just another green energy myth because of the enormous energy cost to split the water. It is the reverse of what the fuel cell does.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thermodynamically water splitting makes no sense. The energy inefficiencies of both methods makes them practically impossible. More energy is consumed than is produced in either process. That because of basic physics!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

You might object saying zero-carbon electricity can be produced. True, but at what cost? And the cost of zero-carbon electricity being cheap is another myth. For example, if nuclear energy was used to split water by electrolysis you could produce hydrogen without any carbon dioxide. But if you can produce electricity this way, to split the water, why wouldn\u2019t you just use the electricity to power the national grid? That would be a far more efficient method.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But the Climate Cult doesn\u2019t like nuclear. They love solar and wind but no modern baseload power generator can survive on such intermittent and unreliable sources.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Besides, there is only one real process that efficiently uses sunlight, carbon dioxide and water vapour to produce energy (in the form of sugars) and oxygen at 100 per cent efficiency using a quantum mechanical proton-powered engine. And that is photosynthesis in green plants, an invention of the Creator. Read Decarbonise the Planet, Are They Mad?<\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is pure fiction to believe you can somehow separate water into its natural component gases and then burn them again to produce energy efficiently. That is, with a positive net energy output. It is equivalent to perpetual motion machines and fairies in the bottom of the garden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Boiling This Down
<\/strong>There is really only one industrial process that produces large amounts of hydrogen gas and that is methane pyrolysis<\/strong>. The only other process, steam reforming<\/strong> with carbon sequestration, costs more energy to produce the same amount of hydrogen gas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

All the other fairy-tale imaginings, like splitting water, are the equivalent to a \u2018free lunch\u2019. But there is \u2018no free lunch\u2019. You always have to pay.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In physics when some theory is proven to be so utterly bad and we have no better way to describe it, we say it is \u2018not even wrong\u2019. In other words, it is way worse than wrong. If it was just wrong it would be far better.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The physics of this universe defies every Climate Cult\u2019s dream. You cannot get energy from something that has lost its energy content to do any work. Read It Was No Accident: All Forms of Energy Were Provided by the Creator<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The primordial methane gas the Creator has given us on this planet, as a cheap efficient source of fuel, is in a thermodynamic state most useful to do work. It is easily combined with the abundant atmospheric oxygen producing heat that can be used to produce cheap electricity. And for different reasons, the same can be said of coal. Read Coal, the Creator\u2019s Providential Provision<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydrogen gas production from the methane mined from gas wells is foolish beyond belief. And any ideas of splitting water is \u2018not even wrong\u2019! Myth busted!
The Spectator<\/strong><\/em><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Chris Bowen left high and dry by sudden change of direction<\/strong>
The Australian
Graham Lloyd
18 July 2024<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mining billionaire Andrew Forrest has seen the light on his overblown green hydrogen ambitions and in the process pulled the plug on a centrepiece of Labor\u2019s renewables-only energy transition plan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Forrest has admitted what should have been obvious from the start. Energy users want cheap energy and hydrogen is not cheap. Having scoured the world for subsidies and customers, Forrest has learnt that any technological advance to lower costs will be hard won.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

He has instead launched a sweeping restructure of Fortescue with as many as 700 jobs going and the company\u2019s goal of producing 15 million tonnes of green hydrogen a year by 2030 has been shelved. This leaves Fortescue, a company with one of the nation\u2019s largest carbon emissions footprints, looking for other ways to salve its eco-conscience. But it leaves the federal government with a much bigger hole to fill.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Billions of public subsidy dollars are being directed towards getting hydrogen production down to a reasonable price. In the Albanese government\u2019s mind, it is the nation\u2019s route to being a renewable energy superpower.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the latest sign of what hydrogen means for the federal government, it has put forward draft plans that, unlike Joe Biden\u2019s hydrogen subsidy scheme, will allow green hydrogen producers to claim a credit for hydrogen that is actually made with fossil fuels.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The US refusal to count gas-fired hydrogen might explain why among the projects shelved as part of Fortescue\u2019s restructure is a hydrogen play in the US state of Washington.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Fortescue has spent hundreds of millions of dollars examining potential green hydrogen and ammonia sites across the world, but has so far delivered just three investment decisions across the would-be green energy portfolio. One of these is a small-scale pilot plant in Gladstone, Queensland.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Without hydrogen, Labor\u2019s renewables-only transition is left looking for a reliable long-term fuel that can firm the grid when wind and solar fail to produce. Grid-scale batteries will get you only so far.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hydro is the obvious answer, but look at Snowy 2.0. In an address to the National Press Club on Wednesday, Energy Minister Chris Bowen remained full bore on a renewables-only plan. Without hydrogen, Labor has little choice but to go back to gas, something he ironically described as a life insurance policy, and something he and those inside the energy industry know to be true.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The federal government has a lot of work to do persuading states to lift their bans on gas exploration and development.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Gas is also the clash of ideology that the Greens have been most anxious to have with Labor. The big picture is a re-elected Donald Trump as US president will reinvigorate the global energy picture as he strives to restore US energy independence.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Forrest has shown that private capital can quickly change course. Government must show it can do so as well.
The Australian<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The Climate Cult promotes the myth of hydrogen gas as the salvation of the planet from catastrophic global boiling. The billionaire climate rent-seekers tell us that hydrogen power is the answer because the only emissions it puts out are water vapour. 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