{"id":331474,"date":"2024-06-04T10:13:08","date_gmt":"2024-06-04T08:13:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=331474"},"modified":"2024-06-04T10:13:11","modified_gmt":"2024-06-04T08:13:11","slug":"some-interesting-new-aspects-that-question-co2-as-the-main-driver-of-warming","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=331474","title":{"rendered":"Some interesting new aspects that question CO2 as the main driver of warming"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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mid-Atlantic ridge<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

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By CFACT<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Joe Bastardi<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I want you to ask yourself how does back radiation from CO2, which is the way CO2 warms anything, not the inane heat-trapping gas idea as the bands that cause warming have been saturated since 1950, warms the ocean like that when they only penetrate 1 mm of the surface?  Is there a magic CO2 fairy waving a wand and making hot spots and oceanic heat waves? Or might it be what I show below and what I have been showing for almost two years?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The North Pacific warmth  can be tied directly to accumulating heat in the West Pacific, likely due to increased underwater input. It then manifests through the Kuroshio current.<\/p>\n\n\n

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n the Atlantic, warming is due to the increased input and spreading out over the mid-Atlantic ridge, where that underwater source would be.<\/p>\n\n\n

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The cumulative build-up of oceanic heat is correlated  AND MOST LIKELY CAUSED BY, SINCE THE GEOTHERMAL INPUT PRECEDED IT, increased heat from that geothermal aspect.<\/p>\n\n\n

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I have written on this many times, but I update you when new information comes in. All climate and weather is a movie, not a snapshot that disregards or dismisses past causes and events.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the longer term, it means the negative Pacific Decadal Oscillation and the positive Atlantic Multi-decadal Oscillation rule until this gets shut down. We have to account for this background signal in all longer-term forecasts. Given the lack of data in the oceans, we won\u2019t know when the input will shut down until it actually happens ( it might be starting now, as I will discuss below). The only early hint of it coming would be the Argos buoys once they are incorporated into the models, though the buoys are quite limited. My point is that until a few months after we get the reports, we can\u2019t tell if that is the case. The cumulative buildup is likely still \u201cpiling\u201d on.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But this is huge, from a study in 2023 recreating the Medieval Warm Period with over 1200  proxy points.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Red is warm, blue cool, green west, yellow dry.<\/p>\n\n\n

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So look at temps now.<\/p>\n\n\n

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The warmth is in the same place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This suggests similar forcing as we have now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

There was no man-made input to the climate during that time. In addition, this debunks the Hockey Stick theory. Let\u2019s remember in Manns \u201cencounter\u201d with Steyn it was shown that he chose only 2 of the 22 statistical results given data. Of course, since we can not see that data and how he weighted it, one should be skeptical anyway. (It didn\u2019t stop the jury from deciding against Steyn tho. Gee I wonder why, with the trial in Washington ,D.C.).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But as John Cougar Mellencamp would say, Ain\u2019t that America?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Think about it. The  STRATEGY IS ALL LINKED, AND SO IT REALLY IS NOT ABOUT CLIMATE AND WEATHER.  So what I am doing is adding those factors in here that you do not see because of the same deception, distortion, and delusion in many of the major aspects of politics that have gotten us to where we are. YOU CAN\u2019T ESCAPE THE LINKAGE!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So the manmade argument is the only argument if you can eliminate all other arguments. That is the strategy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In these other aspects, consider:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you are running for president and have no opponents, you will win. So don\u2019t allow any opponents to run against you.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you want a certain verdict, hold out witnesses who can exonerate the person on trial and set up a  \u201cShow me the man, I\u2019ll show you the crime\u201d prosecution strategy (show me the weather, and I will then blame climate).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you want to spread panic about a pandemic, hide all other options as to how to deal with it and isolate, demonize, and destroy any that offer them.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you want to cause a mass social upheaval over a police incident, don\u2019t show the autopsy of the person or reveal the entire picture that leads to it. They allow 20 billion dollars of damage through riots and claimed they were peaceful protests.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you want to win an election with an opponent, hide a laptop that would reveal information that would turn the election in favor of your opponent, or create a fake dossier for 6 million dollars and then blame it on the other guy colluding with the Russians, who a few years earlier your ilk claimed was no threat to the US anymore.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I am not even going to get into questions about the election itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But do you see why this is all linked and why my calling is to show you what they are doing with climate and ask the rational, open-minded, good-willed person to consider that what you see with this situation is the final act in all these things that have been set up?  So the counter has to be information you are not shown.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It seems like all this has led up to the nail in the coffin, which is what they can do with our freedom if they get their way on climate.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But back to the evidence (even though it will be thrown out or hidden by many).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is a note from PHD geologist  Dr Viterito, who I have mentioned many times.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cI know it\u2019s way too early in the year to tell, but the mid-ocean seismic activity is down relative to historical norms. I\u2019ll have a graph ready in a week or two as I want to make sure that the \u201cQuick Catalogue\u201d has at least one more month of revised data.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I suspect the Argo buoys, which are far too sparse (1 every 112k square miles) and only go down to 6k, the average ocean depth is 14K), are starting to sniff this out. This is exciting for me because if there is a drop in geothermal activity, there should be a response, and the hypothesis I have put out can be tested in the next few years. While we expected the big La Nina, the flip in the cooling in such a widespread fashion, including the Atlantic, does mean we have to suspect something else is going on. The shame is unlike what we do in the weather with current observations we can\u2019t get the kind of data we need in the oceans until it\u2019s underway. This shows, pardon my Sicilian, a bass-ackward approach given how much energy the oceans have for the system. We know a lot about the sun and plenty about the air, but the ocean which has almost all the energy for the system, we know very little about.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is the Sea surface temperature now. That is the record hot spot in the North Pacific and the Atlantic is at record warmth.<\/p>\n\n\n

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(We knew this would happen, and so in December, we put out a forecast and still have it out, one that everyone seems to be implying a hurricane season from hell).<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.weatherbell.com\/hurricane-season-from-hell-first-look<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

May update with no changes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

https:\/\/www.weatherbell.com\/hurricane-season-may-update<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

I am already preparing counters to the inevitable weaponizing of this by people who had no idea that this was on the table from when we did and will try to use it for a climate emergency.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Anyway, back to the matter at hand.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dec, Jan, and Feb temps are one heck of a cool-down in the Indo-Pacific and the Atlantic. (Relative to averages, which is what we are concerned with.)  If the reversal occurs where the Kuroshio current is, it\u2019s the greatest 6-month drop on record, since that is fed by what is going on in the ring of fire in the Pacific underneath.<\/p>\n\n\n

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It would imply that geothermal input is decreasing, which means to me that what Dr Viterito said above is likely occurring.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Such a drop would mean a major decrease in global temps, though it is going to take years for the water vapor input from the Tonga volcano to be reduced to nearly zero.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Of course, given the climate hysteria I wrote about in the last blog, between hurricane season and the current warmth, the hysterics will go wild.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But in the search for truth, no matter what it is, we have to look at all the options to try to determine the source. We all know what is being said across the board about these issues, but what is not shown  is where the answer likely lies.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Even the Moody Blues knew that in their classic \u201cI\u2019m Just a Singer (In a Rock-n -Roll Band\u201d) knew this.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

...\"A thousand pictures can be drawn from one word\nOnly who is the artist\nWe got to agree\nA thousand miles can lead so many ways\njust to know who is driving\nWhat a help it would be\"...<\/pre>\n\n\n\n
Yep. So, who is drawing this picture or driving all this? Without looking at everything, you won\u2019t see all there is to see. I try to show you the other side, but I cannot help but draw the linkage to the deception destroying our way of life. A nation shackled by deception can not face the truth of its challenges, and that nation will descend into chaos. Climate and what is being pushed are the last pieces of this puzzle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n
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I want you to ask yourself how does back radiation from CO2, which is the way CO2 warms anything, not the inane heat-trapping gas idea as the bands that cause warming have been saturated since 1950, warms the ocean like that when they only penetrate 1 mm of the surface?  Is there a magic CO2 fairy waving a wand and making hot spots and oceanic heat waves? 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