{"id":327730,"date":"2024-05-10T18:16:09","date_gmt":"2024-05-10T16:16:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=327730"},"modified":"2024-05-10T18:16:12","modified_gmt":"2024-05-10T16:16:12","slug":"wind-turbines-could-steal-as-much-as-38-of-the-power-off-turbines-downwind-and-even-from-ones-50-kilometers-away","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=327730","title":{"rendered":"Wind turbines could steal as much as 38% of the power off turbines downwind and even from ones 50 kilometers away"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From JoNova <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Jo Nova<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The more wind turbines we have the more useless they are<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

There goes those plans to cover the continental shelf with talismen to the Wind Gods.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

New research shows wind turbines off the East Coast of the US could end up stealing as much as a third of the energy from other wind turbines downstream. And in some conditions, the turbulent wake they leave might stretch out 55 kilometers behind them. This effect is worst on turbines in the same \u201cfarm\u201d but could even affect other wind farms a long way off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The wake effect will be strongest in summer. We\u2019ll just have to ask everyone to turn off their air conditioners then?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Scientific civilizations do this sort of research before they commit $10 trillion dollars, set up a trading scheme, and blow up the coal plants. Imagine if building a coal plant near another plant made it 30% less efficient on hot days\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hat tip to the NetZeroWatch email list:<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wind turbine \u2018wake effect\u2019 could reduce arrays\u2019 power output by 30%<\/a><\/h3>\n\n\n\n

By Kirk Moore, WorkBoat<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The researchers\u2019 paper published March 14 in the journal Wind Energy Science<\/em><\/a> suggests that offshore wind turbines off the U.S. East Coast could rob neighboring turbine arrays of wind speed and thus power generation depending on daily conditions, by more than 30%.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cUsing computer simulations and observational data of the atmosphere, the team calculated that the wake effect reduces total power generation by 34% to 38% at a proposed wind farm off the East Coast,\u201d according to the University of Colorado. \u201dMost of the reduction comes from wakes formed between turbines within a single farm.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cBut under certain weather conditions, wakes could reach turbines as far as 55 kilometers (34 miles) downwind and affect other wind farms. For example, during hot summer days, the airflow over the cool sea surface tends to be relatively stable, causing wakes to persist for longer periods and propagate over longer distances.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Figure 3Hub-height wind roses for the NYSERDA Hudson North (E05) and Hudson South (E06) floating lidars during the 1 September 2019 to 1 September 2020 period. The location of E06 is shown as the red diamond and E05 as the red triangle. The bottom row shows wind roses segregated by atmospheric stratification.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

Ominously, the worst power deficits in these graphs are not the black spots but the red and white ones\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n

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Figure 14The percentage of power loss at ONE from internal wakes at (a) TKE_0 and (b) TKE_100.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

First build 10,000 wind farms, then figure out how it works:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

From the press release<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

To better understand how the wind blows in the proposed wind farm area, Lundquist\u2019s team visited islands off the New England coast and installed a host of instruments last December as part of the Department of Energy\u2019s Wind Forecast Improvement Project 3<\/a>. The project is a collaboration of researchers from CU Boulder, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and several other national laboratories.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The instruments, including weather monitors and radar sensors, will collect data for the next year or more. Previously, offshore wind power prediction models usually relied on intermittent data from ships and satellite observations. The hope is that with continuous data directly from the ocean, scientists can improve prediction models and better integrate more offshore wind energy into the grid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

As long as we try to collect wind energy, the nightmare of thousands of high voltage interconnector lines will never go away.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

REFERENCE<\/h4>\n\n\n\n

Rosencrans et al (2024) Seasonal variability of wake impacts on US mid-Atlantic offshore wind plant power production<\/a> Articles, Volume 9, issue 3 WES, 9, 555\u2013583, 2024 https:\/\/doi.org\/10.5194\/wes-9-555-2024<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Photo by Kim Hansen.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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