{"id":306099,"date":"2024-03-06T12:29:27","date_gmt":"2024-03-06T11:29:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=306099"},"modified":"2024-03-06T12:29:30","modified_gmt":"2024-03-06T11:29:30","slug":"electric-18-wheelers-are-even-stupider-than-electric-cars","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=306099","title":{"rendered":"Electric 18-wheelers are even stupider than electric cars"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" data-attachment-id=\"306103\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=306103\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?fit=1920%2C1080&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1920,1080\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?fit=723%2C407&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=723%2C407&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-306103\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=1024%2C576&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=1536%2C864&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?resize=1200%2C675&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?w=1920&amp;ssl=1 1920w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/03\/00get-ready-for-the-all-electric-long-haul-truck_4.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em>Yet another sequence of ruinously expensive technical miracles required.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIt still boggles my mind,\u201d says Jeffrey Short, Vice President of the American Transport Research Institute.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Mr. Short was talking about the findings of a study conducted by ATRI recently, which quantifies how much additional power generation capacity would have to be added to America\u2019s existing electric grid to convert the nation\u2019s entire heavy truck fleet to battery electric vehicles. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/us\/comment\/2024\/03\/05\/electric-vehicles-cars-trucks-evs-road-transport-freight\/\">The Telegraph<\/a> has the story.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWhat we found were three very large challenges,\u201d Short told&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.capitalpress.com\/nation_world\/nation\/the-big-switch-electrifying-all-u-s-vehicles-would-be-colossal-feat\/article_031c772a-b0bc-11ee-8489-2b52e8755b62.html\">the Capital Press<\/a>, and \u2018very large\u2019 is quite an understatement of the magnitude of the real problem here. The numbers seem overwhelming.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">First, ATRI finds that US nationwide power generation would need to increase 40 per cent over the coming years just to accommodate the additional load placed on the various regional grids to recharge all the new heavy truck batteries. Taken in a vacuum that may sound achievable to the layperson. But no such vacuum exists: The added load must be found in addition to massive new loads being demanded for low-emissions heating, passenger vehicle charging, population growth and economic expansion, server farms, and even AI, which OpenAI CEO Sam Altman&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/neutronbytes.com\/2024\/02\/04\/openai-ceo-altman-says-future-of-ai-depends-on-an-energy-breakthrough\/#:~:text=OpenAI's%20CEO%20Sam%20Altman%20said,enormous%20amounts%20of%20electrical%20power.\">recently said<\/a>&nbsp;will itself require a doubling of power generation.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Where will all the new power generation, and all the new supplies of critical minerals needed to make it reality, come from? ATRI estimates that converting the heavy truck fleet will require the US to somehow source a volume of lithium alone that equates to&nbsp;<em>35 years<\/em>&nbsp;of current global production of that key mineral. Expanding the grid and making all the millions of heavy new truck batteries will also require massive new resources of copper, cobalt, graphite, antimony, and an array of rare earth minerals not currently in widespread production within US borders.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">All this additional production will have to come available to the US market rapidly. But, as S&amp;P Global Vice Chairman Daniel Yergin reminded me in a recent interview, \u201cit currently takes 15 to 20 years to open a new mine\u201d in the US, due to a vast array of permitting and litigation impediments. China controls the supply lines for most such minerals today, and the Xi government will satisfy its own needs and those of its allies before it would be willing to release massively higher volumes to the US and other western nations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The cost of the trucks themselves must also be considered. Currently, a brand new diesel-powered 18-wheeler is priced at between $150,000 &#8211; $180,000, but ATRI says a new electric model goes for almost triple that, at between $400,00 &#8211; $500,000. Higher truck costs, higher power costs, and higher transport costs will inevitably lead to higher rates of inflation since most consumer goods are moved to market by 18-wheelers.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em>Read the full story <a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/us\/comment\/2024\/03\/05\/electric-vehicles-cars-trucks-evs-road-transport-freight\/\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The cost of the trucks themselves must also be considered. Currently, a brand new diesel-powered 18-wheeler is priced at between $150,000 &#8211; $180,000, but ATRI says a new electric model goes for almost triple that, at between $400,00 &#8211; $500,000. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":306103,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"The cost of the trucks themselves must also be considered. Currently, a brand new diesel-powered 18-wheeler is priced at between $150,000 - $180,000, but ATRI says a new electric model goes for almost triple that, at between $400,00 - $500,000. 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