{"id":286768,"date":"2023-11-06T11:32:52","date_gmt":"2023-11-06T10:32:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=286768"},"modified":"2023-11-06T11:32:55","modified_gmt":"2023-11-06T10:32:55","slug":"fine-dining-in-london-is-now-a-climate-guilt-experience","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=286768","title":{"rendered":"Fine Dining in London is Now a Climate Guilt Experience?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
\"\"<\/figure>\n\n\n\n

<\/p>\n\n\n\n

So, will the London diner find the \u2018carbon footprint\u2019 nudge cheap and easy to avoid, as nudges are meant to be? Or will the shame of saying \u201cno\u201d to saving the planet and helping poor people plant fruit trees around the world in front of family or friends be so great that the poor diner will accept this nudge as yet another imposition by the climate establishment?<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\"\"<\/figure>\n\n\n\n

From Watts Up With That?<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Essay by Eric Worrall<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

h\/t CTM \u2013 \u201cNudge theory\u201d<\/a>: Ruthless application of advanced behavioural science psychological manipulation upon unsuspecting diners.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\n

Carbon Footprint And Fine Dining In London: Nudged To Fight Climate Change<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Tilak Doshi<\/a>
Contributor<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On Friday, the \u201cMoney Reporter\u201d of The Telegraph<\/em>, Noah Eastwood<\/a> wrote about London\u2019s diners being hit by a \u201cclimate footprint charge\u201d on restaurant bills. \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Carbon Friendly Dining<\/a>\u2019s website says the charge \u201chelps counterbalance the environmental impact\u201d of diners\u2019 meals and \u201calso help some of the poorest communities on the planet\u201d. \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The most interesting part of this voluntary scheme between restaurants and their patrons is that \u201cdiners can ask for the new donation on their bill to be removed.\u201d And that is the nudge: you must ask to opt out (explicitly), not agree to opt in (implicitly).<\/strong> The ingeniousness of the \u201copt out\u201d requirement is that it puts the onus of action on the paying customer. \u2026<\/p>\n\n\n\n

See where this is going?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The \u201copt out\u201d default choice in this voluntary scheme \u2014 the \u201cnudge\u201d \u2013 is part of the brainchild of the pioneering work on behavioral economics<\/a> by University of Chicago economist and Nobel Laureate Richard H. Thaler and Harvard Law School Professor Cass R. Sunstein. Nudge theory<\/a> proposes adaptive designs of the decision environment \u2013 \u201cchoice architecture\u201d in the jargon \u2014 to influence the behavior and decision-making of groups or individuals like you and me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u2026Read more: https:\/\/www.forbes.com\/sites\/tilakdoshi\/2023\/10\/31\/carbon-footprint-and-fine-dining-in-london-nudged-to-fight-climate-change\/?sh=4a7984c32b7f<\/a><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

The rest of the article is well worth reading, Doshi goes into detail how such psychological manipulation can have serious consequences when the experts guiding the nudges get it wrong.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Today it\u2019s a voluntary levy. But maybe next year it\u2019s a mandatory charge on restaurant bills. And nobody objects, because they have already been conditioned to paying the \u201cvoluntary\u201d levy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But nudges can have far worse consequences than facilitating the stripping away of a little freedom. I\u2019ve seen first hand how defective psychological manipulation can lead to disaster.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bear with me, this is relevant to the point I am making.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Many years ago I was in a pub in London, when a young man glassed someone<\/strong>. After they finished wrestling, the aggressor went back to his table and slowly sipped his drink, watching curiously while people tried to staunch the blood gushing out of the face of his victim.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I was very confused about what I had just seen \u2013 why wasn\u2019t the aggressor running away? So I went up to the aggressor and asked \u201cAren\u2019t you worried about being arrested?\u201d. His reply was even more confusing \u2013 he said \u201cI did nothing wrong<\/strong>\u201c.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

About 30 seconds later the London police flying squad stormed in and arrested the aggressor.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I asked my cousin, a retired school teacher, what she thought of what I had seen. My cousin said \u201cYes, I\u2019ve seen it before. The problem is sanitised schoolyards.<\/strong> Fighting and bullying has been almost completely eliminated from school playgrounds, but as a consequence, kids growing up today have no idea that attacking and injuring someone has serious consequences<\/strong>, because they have never personally experienced violence.\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

By sanitising schools of violence using behavioural science<\/strong>, the behaviourists didn\u2019t always create the peace loving young adults they hoped to create, they also created lots of young adults who, having never personally experienced violence in childhood, have no idea that violence has serious consequences, and never had an opportunity to develop empathy for people hurt by violence. They created the Antifa generation.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

It seems likely the aggressor I saw in that pub will never properly learn to appreciate he did wrong. Behavioural psychologists experimenting on kittens in the 1970s discovered if the kittens grow up in a room with abnormal visual stimuli, their ability to navigate a normal environment is severely impaired.<\/a> Once the kittens reach adulthood the damage is irreparable.<\/strong> There is some improvement over time, but the kittens subjected to this behavioural manipulation never learn to be as sure footed as cats raised in a normal environment.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Badly thought through behavioural psychological manipulation can have severe and lifelong consequences for the targets of that manipulation, and in some cases for their victims.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I have no idea what damage this latest fine dining climate nudge will cause, hopefully nothing nearly as serious as the mess school behavioural scientists have created. The obvious likely perverse consequence from the point of view of the manipulators, is diners who pay their carbon tip are more likely to assume they have done their bit, and may be less willing to cooperate with other climate behaviours being pushed by politicians and behavioural scientists. But this ongoing societal obsession with advanced psychological manipulation, let\u2019s just say\u00a0I do not believe intensive and ubiquitous scientific psychological manipulation of the general population is making the world a better place.<\/strong>\u00a0There are just too many ways it can go wrong.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

So, will the London diner find the \u2018carbon footprint\u2019 nudge cheap and easy to avoid, as nudges are meant to be? Or will the shame of saying \u201cno\u201d to saving the planet and helping poor people plant fruit trees around the world in front of family or friends be so great that the poor diner […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":286773,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"So, will the London diner find the \u2018carbon footprint\u2019 nudge cheap and easy to avoid, as nudges are meant to be? Or will the shame of saying \u201cno\u201d to saving the planet and helping poor people plant fruit trees around the world in front of family or friends ","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691824324,691818056,691818076,691824323],"class_list":{"0":"post-286768","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-antifa-generation","9":"tag-climate-change","10":"tag-co2","11":"tag-science-psychological-manipulation","13":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/00The-Bar-Amazonico-jpg_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqrWYeUU_H0zBKyvljOo6zlmcv5yZLmao6LolmWYJrXns.jpg?fit=1843%2C1152&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1cBi","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":219663,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=219663","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":0},"title":"Pakistan\u2019s floods and the climate attribution con \u2013 Net Zero Watch","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"09\/19\/2022","format":false,"excerpt":"We know what to expect from the climate propaganda machine. Here\u2019s a critique of the \u2019nudge\u2018 method.","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-956.png?fit=1200%2C707&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-956.png?fit=1200%2C707&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-956.png?fit=1200%2C707&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-956.png?fit=1200%2C707&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-956.png?fit=1200%2C707&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":227073,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=227073","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":1},"title":"The climate change cult and the war on the mind \u2013 3","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"11\/02\/2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Today I examine a group using their expertise in the field of psychology to nudge the population into believing their world view of climate-induced doom.","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/0APOCALYPSE-DREAM-MEANING.jpg?fit=1200%2C675&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/0APOCALYPSE-DREAM-MEANING.jpg?fit=1200%2C675&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/0APOCALYPSE-DREAM-MEANING.jpg?fit=1200%2C675&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/0APOCALYPSE-DREAM-MEANING.jpg?fit=1200%2C675&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/0APOCALYPSE-DREAM-MEANING.jpg?fit=1200%2C675&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":339321,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=339321","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":2},"title":"Study: \u201cInsidious\u201d Repetition of Climate Skeptic Claims Creates Doubt","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"08\/12\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"The study authors stop short of calling for outright censorship, but \u201cMedia are crucial in all of this because the science is settled \u2026 We know \u2026 what needs to be done in response and we know the timeframe\u201c.","rel":"","context":"In \"Australian National University\"","block_context":{"text":"Australian National University","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=australian-national-university"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0Screenshot-2024-08-12-145244.png?fit=1193%2C672&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0Screenshot-2024-08-12-145244.png?fit=1193%2C672&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0Screenshot-2024-08-12-145244.png?fit=1193%2C672&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0Screenshot-2024-08-12-145244.png?fit=1193%2C672&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/08\/0Screenshot-2024-08-12-145244.png?fit=1193%2C672&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":385134,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=385134","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":3},"title":"Scientific American: AI is Power Hungry, but it Could Cut Emissions","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"06\/26\/2025","format":false,"excerpt":"The researchers claim \u201cbehavioural change\u201d as a field where AI can help.","rel":"","context":"In \"AI (artificial intelligence)\"","block_context":{"text":"AI (artificial intelligence)","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=ai-artificial-intelligence-2"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/OIG1-13-1.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/OIG1-13-1.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/OIG1-13-1.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/06\/OIG1-13-1.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":377071,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=377071","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":4},"title":"The Pain in Spain Is Renewably Insane \u2013 The Climate Realism Show#155","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"05\/02\/2025","format":false,"excerpt":"The Heartland Institute\u2019s Sterling Burnett, Anthony Watts, Linnea Lueken, and Jim Lakely will also cover some \u201cCrazy Climate News of the Week,\u201d including the federal government scrapping the so-called \u201csocial cost of carbon,\u201d NASA\u2019s climate-alarmism office above the Seinfeld diner getting shut down, a newly minted map of climate anxiety,\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Blackout\"","block_context":{"text":"Blackout","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=blackout"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/0Screenshot-2025-05-02-162916.png?fit=1200%2C674&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/0Screenshot-2025-05-02-162916.png?fit=1200%2C674&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/0Screenshot-2025-05-02-162916.png?fit=1200%2C674&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/0Screenshot-2025-05-02-162916.png?fit=1200%2C674&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/0Screenshot-2025-05-02-162916.png?fit=1200%2C674&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":219201,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=219201","url_meta":{"origin":286768,"position":5},"title":"Pakistan\u2019s floods and the climate attribution con","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"09\/16\/2022","format":false,"excerpt":"Climate alarmism and journalistic bias have reached new heights of misleading hype on the catastrophic flooding in Pakistan","rel":"","context":"Similar post","block_context":{"text":"Similar post","link":""},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-798.png?fit=1200%2C632&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-798.png?fit=1200%2C632&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-798.png?fit=1200%2C632&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-798.png?fit=1200%2C632&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/09\/image-798.png?fit=1200%2C632&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/286768","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/121246920"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=286768"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/286768\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":286774,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/286768\/revisions\/286774"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/286773"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=286768"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=286768"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=286768"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}