{"id":285749,"date":"2023-10-30T11:30:55","date_gmt":"2023-10-30T10:30:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=285749"},"modified":"2023-10-30T11:30:59","modified_gmt":"2023-10-30T10:30:59","slug":"wind-solar-chaos-driving-demand-for-safe-reliable-affordable-nuclear-power","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=285749","title":{"rendered":"Wind &amp; Solar Chaos Driving Demand For Safe, Reliable &amp; Affordable Nuclear\u00a0Power"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"570\" data-attachment-id=\"285755\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=285755\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?fit=1500%2C1183&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1500,1183\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?fit=723%2C570&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?resize=723%2C570&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-285755\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?resize=1024%2C808&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?resize=300%2C237&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?resize=768%2C606&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?resize=1200%2C946&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0USNC_Medium_final_cr-1.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong><em>Former Ansto CEO Dr Adi Paterson says the world is starting to see a big shift in nuclear energy, which will reduce the price of electricity in a reliable and safe manner. \u201cWe\u2019re seeing a big nuclear world and then the microreactors and the small reactors are starting to come online in various places,\u201d Dr Paterson told Sky News host Chris Kenny.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"406\" data-attachment-id=\"285759\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=285759\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?fit=1140%2C640&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1140,640\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00Small-modular-reactors\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?fit=723%2C406&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?resize=723%2C406&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-285759\" style=\"width:760px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?resize=1024%2C575&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?resize=300%2C168&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?resize=768%2C431&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00Small-modular-reactors.png?w=1140&amp;ssl=1 1140w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Small-modular-reactors<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"http:\/\/stopthesethings.com\/\">STOP THESE THINGS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"352\" data-attachment-id=\"285750\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=285750\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?fit=1580%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1580,768\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0nacelle-gone-iowa\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?fit=723%2C352&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=723%2C352&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-285750\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=1024%2C498&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=300%2C146&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=768%2C373&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=1536%2C747&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?resize=1200%2C583&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?w=1580&amp;ssl=1 1580w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0nacelle-gone-iowa.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Nuclear power\u2019s renaissance is the inevitable response to the wind and solar transition\u2019s inevitable failure.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sunshine and weather-dependent solar and weather-dependent wind are no match for serious generation sources, like safe, reliable and affordable nuclear.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Incapable of delivering electricity on demand, wind and solar have never been true competitors with coal, gas or nuclear power generators.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Instead, over the last twenty years or so, they have been like a parasitic cancer, eroding and destroying the power grids that host them. When you hear wind and solar advocates talking about maintaining the existing generators until they can find some magic bullet storage system or make hydrogen gas (presumably economically), it\u2019s like a tumour realising that if the host dies, it dies too.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Wind and solar will continue to bleed the system dry until power consumers recognise that the whole system is terminal. Coupling routine power rationing and mass blackouts with rocketing power prices, should do the trick.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Numerous countries in Europe have worked out that their power systems need urgent resuscitation, and are delivering with the construction of new generation nuclear plants.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/stopthesethings.com\/2023\/05\/25\/wind-solar-industries-furious-as-french-demand-more-nuclear-power-generation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Finns are in<\/a>, the French led the way (and&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/stopthesethings.com\/2023\/05\/25\/wind-solar-industries-furious-as-french-demand-more-nuclear-power-generation\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">they\u2019re demanding more<\/a>) and the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/stopthesethings.com\/2023\/06\/15\/energy-sanity-outbreak-italy-joins-europes-burgeoning-nuclear-power-renaissance\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Italians have also eagerly signed up<\/a>&nbsp;to Europe\u2019s nuclear power renaissance. The Swedes, not to be outdone, have ditched their impossible-to-meet 100% renewable energy target (simply because it was premised on adding ever-increasing intermittent wind and solar capacity) \u2013 and is on track to&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/stopthesethings.com\/2023\/09\/04\/nordic-nuclear-revival-sweden-to-build-10-large-capacity-plants\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">build 10 large-scale nuclear plants<\/a>, with palns to lift their ban on uranium mining giving it access its own fuel supply, independent of Russia. All sensible stuff.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">But not a bit of it in Australia. Not yet, anyway.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Sky News\u2019 Chris Kenny talks to Adi Paterson about how the chaotic (occasional) delivery of wind and solar power is driving an inevitable demand for nuclear power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>\u2018Reliable and safe\u2019: World seeing global shift to nuclear energy<\/strong><br>Sky News Australia<br>Chris Kenny and Adi Paterson<br>26 October 2023<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"530\" data-attachment-id=\"285757\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=285757\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?fit=1203%2C882&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1203,882\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00SMR_VUE3D_DUO\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?fit=723%2C530&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?resize=723%2C530&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-285757\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?resize=1024%2C751&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?resize=300%2C220&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?resize=768%2C563&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?resize=1200%2C880&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/00SMR_VUE3D_DUO.png?w=1203&amp;ssl=1 1203w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Former ANSTO CEO Dr Adi Paterson says the world is starting to see a big shift in nuclear energy, which will reduce the price of electricity in a reliable and safe manner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cWe\u2019re seeing a big nuclear world and then the microreactors and the small reactors are starting to come online in various places,\u201d Dr Paterson told Sky News host Chris Kenny.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Dr Paterson said it\u2019s essential Australia transitions to nuclear energy as the quality of Australia\u2019s electricity goes down.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cSouth Australia is losing jobs because renewables don\u2019t just provide a challenge to the standard coal base power but if you have too much of it, what they call instantaneous penetration of 100 per cent,\u201d he said.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cYou actually reduce the quality of the frequency control that means 800 jobs have already left South Australia.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/F09hogLxnkg?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Transcript<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Now two years ago today here on Sky News, we had my documentary, Going Nuclear, in which I spoke to experts here and around the world about why nuclear energy was the logical solution to Australia\u2019s and the world\u2019s net-zero dilemma. You know the story. It\u2019s a dense form of energy. It doesn\u2019t require massive amounts of land for new transmission lines and wind and solar farms, and it doesn\u2019t produce greenhouse gases.&nbsp;Here\u2019s a reminder of what the doco contained. In this clip, it starts off with a look at small modular reactors or SMRs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Video:&nbsp;<\/strong>As we shut down coal-fired power stations like this one in Port Augusta, SMRs could quickly replace them onsite.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">My understanding is you could actually deliver to that site an SMR, connect it into the transmission grid and virtually flick the switch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Yes, it is capable of fitting in with existing grid infrastructure and therefore replacing existing fossil fuel coal-fired power stations and that\u2019s a real advantage. Because the grid costs can be expensive. So if you have a solution that can plug and play, you don\u2019t need to upgrade all of your grid to accommodate it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The younger generation is being brought up in a world where climate change is front and centre. And when you look at the facts and the science and you look at the data and you compare all of the energy generation sources that we have, nuclear has such a good story to tell from a climate change perspective. But also enabling us to continue our current way of life and indeed improve it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, it\u2019s all about the future generations and they might wonder why the boomers are so hung up on the so-called risks of nuclear energy. Well, let\u2019s see if the debate has advanced over the past two years by catching up with one of the experts from that doco, Adi Paterson, who used to run Australia\u2019s research and medical nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Adi, good to talk to you again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>It\u2019s good to be back.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Two years on. Tell me, how do you think the debate has changed over the past two years?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>I think the two big things that have changed is we are starting to see a big shift globally. The Finnish reactor, which was apparently too expensive and took too long, is now on and has reduced the price of electricity to a third of what it was. So we know that they can look expensive, but your electricity gets cheaper, more reliable and safer, frankly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>And other changes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>I think the big other changes that happened, many countries like Canada has just completed a big prefab of its nuclear power plants. We\u2019ve seen many new to nuclear countries start up their reactors, the UAE for example. So we are seeing a new big nuclear world and then the microreactors and the small reactors are starting to come online in various places.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. Now let\u2019s talk about what\u2019s happened in the political debate in Australia because there\u2019s been a significant shift. The coalition, especially under our opposition leader, Peter Dutton, has been very strong on nuclear. Just have a look at what he said even today. This is Peter Dutton, earlier today.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Peter Dutton:&nbsp;<\/strong>We\u2019ve started the debate in relation to the small modular reactors around nuclear that can firm up the renewables in the system. In Ontario, they\u2019ve got about 60 to 70% of nuclear firming up their renewables. They pay half the kilowatt-hour rate that we do here in Australia. So if we want to halve our electricity prices, we should look to the examples we see in Ontario and elsewhere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, that\u2019s pretty forward-leaning stuff from Peter Dutton. Adi, it seems obvious that the next federal election you\u2019re going to have a nuclear policy from the coalition. Exactly what it\u2019s going to say we don\u2019t know yet. A nuclear proposal versus the government still holding out. Will that be a good step?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>I think it\u2019s an essential step. The quality of electricity is going down. South Australia is losing jobs. Because renewables don\u2019t just provide a challenge to the standard coal-fired base load power. But if you have too much of it, what they call instantaneous penetration of a hundred percent, which is a strange term, you actually reduce the quality of the frequency control. That means that 800 jobs have already left South Australia. Precision manufacturing is under threat in the place where we want to have nuclear propulsion in submarines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah. You talk about having that, I think it\u2019s great we\u2019re going to have that political contest. But with something as controversial, as volatile as this issue, don\u2019t we need bipartisan support? We\u2019ve just seen with referendums how you really need bipartisan support to get them delivered. Might it not be the same with nuclear energy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>I think it\u2019s true. When I worked with the Obama administration in the US, there was bipartisan support. That has intensified recently. I think that most of the democratic world has got over the anti-nuclear fever of the previous generations. But most important, the cost of electrons and quality of electricity that we need for a modern, post-manufacturing but smart economy means that you have to have quality electricity. We cannot have quality electricity with intermittent renewables.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Yeah, we\u2019re getting more expensive and less reliable energy every day at the moment. Now, I just want to get you on the technology here because the coalition keeps pushing these SMRs, the small modular reactors. There\u2019s this new technology and there\u2019s no doubt if they come off the assembly line from Rolls-Royce or some of the other major manufacturers, that\u2019d be a great fit for some locations in Australia. But that\u2019s also politically easy to talk about that. Isn\u2019t there more of an obvious need for maybe some modern versions of traditional fixed nuclear large reactors, say in a place like the Hunter Valley or the Latrobe Valley?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>I\u2019m a big supporter of gigawatt scale. The big plants, in a way they\u2019re the anchor tenants of a really reliable electricity grid. I\u2019m also a big fan of these microreactors. You know the big red middle of Australia, microreactors replacing the diesel grid. We need the microreactors. We might need small modular reactors in some places. But to get the simplest, quickest, and most elegant solution that we need, it\u2019s gigawatt scale reactors where we\u2019ve got coal plants now.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>When you\u2019ve looked at the energy challenges, the zero emissions challenges for not just Australia but the world, when I talked to you during that documentary two years ago, you said that the facts, the science, the economics are also obvious that this is inevitable. It\u2019s going to happen sometime. So therefore the quicker we move surely, the cheaper and more effective it\u2019s going to be.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>To me the real test was Sweden, because Sweden had really been channelling Australia and they\u2019ve changed their minds. They\u2019ve realised that with all of the wind they put up and all the intermittency they put into their grid, they couldn\u2019t make it work. Sweden used to have its own nuclear capability back in the day of making tiny little reactors, but they\u2019re now going to go and build the next generation of reactors. They\u2019ve got bipartisan support. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s a street fight. I think it\u2019s people working together for the best solution for Australia.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>It\u2019s time for us to catch up.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>It\u2019s grownups in the room and it\u2019s for a grownup future, to be frank.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:&nbsp;<\/strong>Adi, thanks so much for joining us. Great to hear from you again.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Dr Adi Paterson:&nbsp;<\/strong>Thank you very much.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Chris Kenny:\u00a0<\/strong>Adi Paterson, he used to head up ANSTO and therefore run the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor site south of Sydney, which is not used for energy. 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