{"id":281781,"date":"2023-10-04T10:33:36","date_gmt":"2023-10-04T08:33:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=281781"},"modified":"2023-10-04T10:33:40","modified_gmt":"2023-10-04T08:33:40","slug":"intermittency-the-royal-society-has-the-solution","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=281781","title":{"rendered":"Intermittency \u2013 The Royal Society has the\u00a0solution!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
\"\"<\/figure>\n\n\n\n

<\/p>\n\n\n\n

From Climate Scepticism<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

BY\u00a0ROBIN GUENIER<\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

What could possibly go wrong?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

A few weeks ago The Royal Society published this comprehensive report: Large-scale energy storage<\/em><\/strong>. It can be found HERE <\/a>. I thought this might be of interest and had planned to write a short commentary as a basis for discussion. But the wind has been taken out of my sails, first by two excellent articles by the redoubtable Francis Menton at Manhattan Contrarian<\/em> and this morning by a useful and interesting post by Chris Morrison at The Daily Sceptic<\/em>. Menton\u2019s articles \u2013 titled \u2018A Semi-Competent Report On Energy Storage From Britain\u2019s Royal Society<\/strong><\/em>\u2019 and \u2018It\u2019s Time To Build The Intermittent Plus Hydrogen Storage Demonstration Project!<\/strong><\/em>\u2019 \u2013 can be found HERE<\/a> and HERE <\/a>. Morrison\u2019s piece \u2013 titled \u2018Batteries Will Not Solve Renewable Energy Storage Problem, Says Royal Society<\/strong><\/em>\u2019 \u2013 can be found HERE <\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I suggest anyone who\u2019s interested should first read at least the Executive Summary, Chapter 1 (Introduction) and Chapter 10.1 (Conclusion) of the Royal Society\u2019s report \u2013 the Conclusion is especially interesting as it\u2019s essentially a commentary on each of the report\u2019s chapters \u2013 and then read Menton\u2019s and Morrison\u2019s articles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

A few comments:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

1. As Menton has noted, the report\u2019s analysis of the problem that has to be overcome \u2013 far worse than I thought \u2013 is extremely helpful.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

2. However their \u2018solution\u2019 would be a quite extraordinary undertaking. Is it even feasible? The report notes numerous uncertainties such as the stated need for \u2018detailed engineering estimates\u2019<\/em>. One item that took my eye was the statement that \u2018Building the number of caverns that this report finds will be needed by 2050 will be challenging, but not impossible\u2019<\/em>. My experience of project management suggests that in practice such words mean that it almost certainly is<\/em> impossible. If so of course, the whole undertaking would be pointless.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

3. In any case, it\u2019s hard to imagine that anyone living anywhere near any of these proposed caverns filled with hydrogen is likely to be very happy. Surely such concerns could kill the project?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

4. This is an extraordinarily complex \u2018solution\u2019 and, given the UK\u2019s apparent inability to complete large projects on time or within budget (e.g. HS2) would seem, even if shown to viable (practically and economically), to be doomed to failure from the outset.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

5. It seems probable that, even in the unlikely event that the project could be shown to be technically viable, it would be so enormously expensive that no government could approve it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

6. With impressive logic based on a comprehensive analysis of the facts, the Royal Society has concluded that large-scale hydrogen storage is the only realistic solution to the wind and solar power intermittency problem. Therefore if, as seems likely, their \u2018solution\u2019 isn\u2019t realistic either, there is no solution and the net zero project is wholly unachievable.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

From Climate Scepticism BY\u00a0ROBIN GUENIER What could possibly go wrong? A few weeks ago The Royal Society published this comprehensive report: Large-scale energy storage. It can be found HERE . I thought this might be of interest and had planned to write a short commentary as a basis for discussion. But the wind has been taken out of […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":281783,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"What could possibly go wrong?","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691821624,691818065,691822446,691819094,691822447],"class_list":{"0":"post-281781","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-cost-of-batteries","9":"tag-energy-storage","10":"tag-hydrogen-storage","11":"tag-renewable-green-energy","12":"tag-the-royal-society","14":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/OIG-29.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-1biR","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":327747,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=327747","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":0},"title":"Britain\u2019s Royal Society Defies the Green\u00a0Blob","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"11\/05\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Three-centuries-old institution rebuffs call to declare fossil fuel companies culpable for global warming","rel":"","context":"In \"Britain\u2019s Royal Society\"","block_context":{"text":"Britain\u2019s Royal Society","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=britains-royal-society-2"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/OIG1.Wlzq6ZOyLXWUN9.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/OIG1.Wlzq6ZOyLXWUN9.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/OIG1.Wlzq6ZOyLXWUN9.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/05\/OIG1.Wlzq6ZOyLXWUN9.jpeg?fit=1024%2C1024&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":297866,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=297866","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":1},"title":"Climate chiefs admitted net zero plan based on insufficient data, leading physicist says","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"22\/01\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Key committee only looked at \u2018a single year of data\u2019 when making controversial green energy claims","rel":"","context":"In \"Chris Stark\"","block_context":{"text":"Chris Stark","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=chris-stark"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/0net-zero-istock-1190148959-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C761&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/0net-zero-istock-1190148959-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C761&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/0net-zero-istock-1190148959-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C761&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/0net-zero-istock-1190148959-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C761&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/0net-zero-istock-1190148959-1.jpg?fit=1200%2C761&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":281854,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=281854","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":2},"title":"Batteries Will Not Solve Renewable Energy Storage Problem, Says Royal Society","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"04\/10\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"Tesla Megapack battery in Victoria catches fire while testing From The Daily Sceptic BY\u00a0CHRIS MORRISON The penny is finally starting to drop. Current batteries cannot possibly store more than a fraction of the energy needed to keep the lights on when the wind stops blowing and the sun doesn\u2019t shine.\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"battery storage\"","block_context":{"text":"battery storage","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=battery-storage"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0megapack-fire-1024x576-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C576&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0megapack-fire-1024x576-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C576&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0megapack-fire-1024x576-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C576&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/0megapack-fire-1024x576-1.jpg?fit=1024%2C576&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x"},"classes":[]},{"id":324598,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=324598","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":3},"title":"A Shockingly Inept Report From The IEA On Battery Storage Of Energy","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"29\/04\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"When people get into advocating for this \u201cenergy transition,\u201d the stars regularly align to bring forth the most extreme levels of ineptitude. Start with the fact that the \u201csmartest\u201d people are filled with arrogance and hubris, but are not actually very smart.","rel":"","context":"In \"Battery Storage Of Energy\"","block_context":{"text":"Battery Storage Of Energy","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=battery-storage-of-energy"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/0tesla-powerpack-farm-australia_dad0ae80-c455-4de1-bfd7-03566ebb4ed9_1400x.webp?fit=1200%2C604&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/0tesla-powerpack-farm-australia_dad0ae80-c455-4de1-bfd7-03566ebb4ed9_1400x.webp?fit=1200%2C604&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/0tesla-powerpack-farm-australia_dad0ae80-c455-4de1-bfd7-03566ebb4ed9_1400x.webp?fit=1200%2C604&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/0tesla-powerpack-farm-australia_dad0ae80-c455-4de1-bfd7-03566ebb4ed9_1400x.webp?fit=1200%2C604&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/04\/0tesla-powerpack-farm-australia_dad0ae80-c455-4de1-bfd7-03566ebb4ed9_1400x.webp?fit=1200%2C604&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":348326,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=348326","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":4},"title":"The DEFR Follies — Cost Of Hydrogen Storage","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"22\/10\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Here in New York we have our own unique and special acronym for how we think we are going to make our future emissions-free electrical grid work with predominantly wind and solar generation. The acronym is DEFR \u2014 the \u201cDispatchable Emissions-Free Resource.\u201d When the sun goes down and the wind\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Electrical Grid\"","block_context":{"text":"Electrical Grid","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=electrical-grid"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":282618,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=282618","url_meta":{"origin":281781,"position":5},"title":"Dismantling the Royal Society Large-Scale Electricity Storage\u00a0Report","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"09\/10\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT By Paul Homewood A new analysis by David Turver dismantles the recent Royal Society report on electricity storage: Summary The Royal Society (RS) has recently released its Large-Scale Electricity Storage report that says we can provide the electricity we need using wind\u2026","rel":"","context":"In \"Electricity Storage\u00a0Report\"","block_context":{"text":"Electricity Storage\u00a0Report","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=electricity-storage-report"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/10\/green-hydrogen-hype.png?fit=1200%2C630&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]}],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/281781","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/121246920"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=281781"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/281781\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":281784,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/281781\/revisions\/281784"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/281783"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=281781"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=281781"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=281781"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}