{"id":281281,"date":"2023-09-30T15:59:15","date_gmt":"2023-09-30T13:59:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=281281"},"modified":"2023-09-30T15:59:18","modified_gmt":"2023-09-30T13:59:18","slug":"a-semi-competent-report-on-energy-storage-from-britains-royal-society","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=281281","title":{"rendered":"A Semi-Competent Report On Energy Storage From Britain’s Royal Society"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From The MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Francis Menton<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

If you want to power our modern economy on intermittent renewables (wind and solar), and also banish the use of power from fossil fuels and nuclear, then the only option remaining to make the grid work reliably is energy storage on a massive scale. And then it turns out that energy storage on the scale needed is enormously costly \u2014 almost certainly so costly that it will in the end sink the entire \u201cnet zero\u201d project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Failure adequately to address the energy storage problem is the fatal defect of nearly all \u201cnet zero\u201d plans that are out there. For an example of a thoroughly incompetent treatment of this problem, you might look at New York\u2019s so-called \u201cScoping Plan\u201d<\/a> for its mandated \u201cnet zero\u201d transition. This<\/em><\/strong> Scoping Plan was issued quite recently in December 2022. As examples of its stunning incompetence, it almost entirely discusses the storage problem in the wrong units (watts versus watt-hours), and regularly posits the imminent emergence of magical \u201cdispatchable emissions-free resources,\u201d that have not yet been invented, to cover the gaps in wind and solar generation.<\/em><\/strong> The people who issued this Plan have no idea what they are doing, and are setting up New York for an energy catastrophe some time between now and 2030.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But now along comes a report from Royal Society addressing this energy storage problem in the context of Great Britain. The Report came out earlier this month, and has been brought to my attention by my colleagues at the Global Warming Policy Foundation. The title is \u201cLarge-scale energy storage.\u201d<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Having now put some time into studying this Report, I would characterize it as semi-competent. That is an enormous improvement over every other effort on this subject that I have seen from green energy advocates. But despite their promising start, the authors come nowhere near a sufficient showing that wind plus solar plus storage can make a viable and cost-effective electricity system. In the end, their quasi-religious commitment to a fossil-fuel-free future leads them to minimize and divert attention away from critical cost and feasibility issues. As a result, the Report, despite containing much valuable information, is actually useless for any public policy purpose.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

On the plus side of the ledger for this Report, the authors use the correct units to calculate the amount of energy storage needed to back up intermittent wind and solar generation; and their arithmetic appears correctly done as far as I have checked. Also a plus is that it takes them almost no time to conclude that there is essentially no possibility that battery technology will ever be able to solve the energy storage problem for a nation\u2019s grid powered by intermittent sources, no matter how much the technology may improve and no matter how much its costs may decrease.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But then there are the negatives. The authors share the conceit of all green energy advocates \u2014 and of all central planners everywhere \u2014 that their models and projections have anticipated all costs and problems of their massive schemes. And thus, they think, they know all the answers to how this will work, and can dispense with the tiresome need for any physical demonstration project to prove function and cost. And then there is the discussion, or lack thereof, of ultimate cost to the consumer of these grand plans. The treatment of this subject is inadequate, and characterized by what appears to be an effort to divert the reader\u2019s attention from the subject before too many questions are asked.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But let\u2019s start with some pluses. This is from the \u201cMajor conclusions\u201d section of the Executive Summary, page 5:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Wind supply can vary over time scales of decades and tens of TWhs of very long- duration storage will be needed. The scale is over 1000 times that currently provided by pumped hydro in the UK, and <\/em>far more than could conceivably be provided by conventional batteries<\/em><\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Go to the body of the Report, and you find that the authors have collected data on generation from wind and solar sources Great Britain over a 37 year period, 1980-2016. Those data show that the intermittency problems of wind and solar generation are far worse than even I had thought. In additional to diurnal and even annual cycles, there prove to be periods of relatively low wind that can persist literally for years. To deal with such situations requires putting huge amounts of energy in storage and then keeping it there for years, maybe decades, in anticipation of these low wind years.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Here is one of my favorite charts from the Report. It depicts the storage balance in a hypothetical 123,000 GWh storage facility for Great Britain over the 37 year period 1980 to 2016. The storage balance never goes much below about 80,000 GWh during the 23 year period 1984 to 2006 \u2014 which might have led the incautious to conclude that about half as much storage would be sufficient. But then there was a big low-wind period from 2009-2011:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The authors describe the situation as follows (page 31):<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Figure 13 exhibits two striking features. First, a study of the 23 years 1984 \u2013 2006 would have found a storage volume very much smaller than found by studying 1980 \u2013 2016. Second, there is a very large call on storage in the period 2009 \u2013 2011 which reflects persistently low wind speeds that lead to the large deficits seen in figure 2 (<\/em>some of the energy that fills these deficits would have been in the store since 1980<\/em><\/strong>). These features reinforce the conclusion that it would be prudent to add contingency against prolonged periods of very low supply and the possible greater clustering of 2009 to 2011-like years.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

As a result of observations like this, the authors, I think correctly, conclude that batteries are completely out of the question to solve this problem. The only storage medium that could conceivably work would be a combustible chemical substance that can be put in massive underground facilities for decades. Only two possibilities are out there \u2014 hydrogen and ammonia. And ammonia is far more expensive and far more dangerous. So that leaves hydrogen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Since hydrogen is the one and only possible solution to the storage problem, the authors proceed to a lengthy consideration of what the future wind\/solar\/hydrogen electricity system will look like. There will be massive electroayzers to get hydrogen from the sea. Salt deposits will be chemically dissolved to create vast underground caverns to store the hydrogen. Hydrogen will be transported to these vast caverns and stored there for years and decades, then transported to power plants to burn when needed. A fleet of power plants will burn the hydrogen when called upon to do so, although admittedly they may be idle most of the time, maybe even 90% of the time; but for a pinch, there must be sufficient thermal hydrogen-burning plants to supply the whole of peak demand when needed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

I find the treatment of the potential cost of all of this to be totally inadequate. There is never a mention of the most relevant subject, which is how much electricity prices to consumers might increase. The closest thing I find is this chart on page 32:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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This is cost \u201cto the grid,\u201d thus wholesale cost. Will there be a huge multiplication of final price to the consumer? At first glance this doesn\u2019t look too bad. About 50 pounds\/MWh for the wind\/solar input, and then 60-70 pounds\/MWh for the storage makes about 110-120 pounds\/MWh total. Add about 33% to convert to dollars, and you would have about $143-156\/MWh, or 14.3 to 15.6 cents per kWh. It\u2019s high, but not completely in the stratosphere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But wait a minute. Are these guys leaving anything out?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  • How about the new network of pipelines to transport the hydrogen all over the place?<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • How about the entire new fleet of thermal power plants, capable of burning 100% hydrogen, and sufficient to meet 100% of peak demand when it\u2019s night and the wind isn\u2019t blowing.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • They use a 5% interest rate for capital costs. That\u2019s too low by at least half \u2014 should be 10% or more.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • And can they really build all the wind turbines and solar panels and electroayzers they are talking about at the prices they are projecting?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

    The whole thing just cries out for a demonstration project to prove feasibility and cost. I\u2019m betting that that will never occur before the whole \u201cnet zero\u201d thing falls apart from the disaster of skyrocketing electricity prices. Time will tell.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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