{"id":272675,"date":"2023-08-10T21:12:49","date_gmt":"2023-08-10T19:12:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=272675"},"modified":"2023-08-10T21:13:07","modified_gmt":"2023-08-10T19:13:07","slug":"end-of-the-line-first-adopter-of-hydrogen-trains-last-year-opts-for-all-electric-future","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=272675","title":{"rendered":"End of the line: first adopter of hydrogen trains last year opts for all-electric\u00a0future"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"458\" data-attachment-id=\"272680\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=272680\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/00hydrogen_train_lr-scaled-1.jpg?fit=2560%2C1623&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2560,1623\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/tallbloke.wordpress.com\/\">Tallbloke&#8217;s Talkshop<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u00a0August 5, 2023 by\u00a0<strong>oldbrew<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" data-attachment-id=\"272677\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=272677\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-399.png?fit=800%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"800,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" 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https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-399.png?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-399.png?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">German hydrogen train [image credit: Euractiv]<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Being known as\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.hydrogeninsight.com\/transport\/the-misery-line-world-s-largest-hydrogen-train-fleet-still-not-fully-operational-six-months-after-service-began\/2-1-1462885\">the misery line<\/a>\u00a0didn\u2019t help the case for hydrogen trains, with a third of the train drivers resigning amid various operational difficulties. One German state estimated hydrogen trains would be 80% more expensive to run than electric over a 30-year period.<\/em><br>\u2013 \u2013 \u2013<br>The state-owned public transport company responsible for introducing the world\u2019s first hydrogen-only railway line last year has effectively ruled out using any more H2 trains, saying that battery-electric models \u201care cheaper to operate\u201d,\u00a0<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.hydrogeninsight.com\/transport\/no-more-hydrogen-trains-rail-company-that-launched-worlds-first-h2-line-last-year-opts-for-all-electric-future\/2-1-1495801\">reports Hydrogen Insight<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">LNVG, which is owned by the government of Lower Saxony, had invested more than \u20ac93m ($85m) in 14 hydrogen fuel-cell trains, which began operating in August 2022.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The federal government also contributed a further \u20ac8.4m \u2014 \u20ac4.3m of which was spent on the world\u2019s first H2 train refuelling station, built by Linde in the town of Bremerv\u00f6rde.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Two Alstom Coradia iLint hydrogen trains had been tested on the line \u2014 between Cuxhaven and Buxtehude \u2014 since 2018, when they became the first ever H2 trains put into commercial operation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, the Lower Saxony government has now announced that it will replace the remainder of its diesel trains by 2037, not with any hydrogen models, but with 102 battery-electric \u201cmultiple units\u201d \u2014 a tender for which will be held this year \u2014 and a further 27 non-battery electric trains on one particular route that will be completely electrified (Osnabr\u00fcck \u2013 Oldenburg).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The state\u2019s Ministry for Economic Affairs, Transport, Building and Digitisation explains that battery trains can be powered by overhead electricity lines (ie, catenary systems), or be charged by what it calls \u201ccharging islands\u201d \u2014 and can operate without constant contact with the overhead cables.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe basis for the purchase of the new battery-powered is market research into alternative drives, which LNVG carried out,\u201d the ministry said in a statement. \u201cIn particular, trains with hydrogen drives and batteries were considered. Result: battery trains are cheaper to operate.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Full report\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.hydrogeninsight.com\/transport\/no-more-hydrogen-trains-rail-company-that-launched-worlds-first-h2-line-last-year-opts-for-all-electric-future\/2-1-1495801\">here<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Being known as\u00a0the misery line\u00a0didn\u2019t help the case for hydrogen trains, with a third of the train drivers resigning amid various operational difficulties. 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