{"id":272157,"date":"2023-08-08T13:20:14","date_gmt":"2023-08-08T11:20:14","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=272157"},"modified":"2023-08-08T13:20:33","modified_gmt":"2023-08-08T11:20:33","slug":"lord-frost-ridicules-whitehall-renewables-cost-estimates","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=272157","title":{"rendered":"Lord Frost ridicules Whitehall renewables cost estimates"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"482\" data-attachment-id=\"272161\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=272161\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?fit=1440%2C959&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1440,959\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-273\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?fit=723%2C482&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?resize=723%2C482&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-272161\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?resize=1024%2C682&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?resize=768%2C511&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?resize=1200%2C799&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?w=1440&amp;ssl=1 1440w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/www.netzerowatch.com\/\">Net Zero Watch<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"381\" data-attachment-id=\"272158\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=272158\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?fit=1500%2C790&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1500,790\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-272\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?fit=723%2C381&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?resize=723%2C381&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-272158\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?resize=1024%2C539&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?resize=300%2C158&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?resize=768%2C404&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?resize=1200%2C632&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?w=1500&amp;ssl=1 1500w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-272.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lord Frost has called on ministers and civil servants to come clean about the cost of wind power, echoing last week\u2019s statement by Lord Hammond. Frost\u2019s comments come after new renewables cost estimates from the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero were widely ridiculed on social media.Lord Frost said:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Whitehall continues to obfuscate about the true costs of wind power. This time round we are supposed to believe it will get cheaper either because winds in the\u00a0 North Sea will conveniently grow in strength or windfarms will suddenly become at least 50% more efficient. It\u2019s time the government produced fair comparable figures for the costs of different energy so we have a proper basis for a rational policy discussion.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Offshore wind is central to the Government\u2019s Net Zero plans, which will be unaffordable without very cheap renewable energy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Net Zero Watch director Andrew Montford said:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">People are openly calling these new figures lies. It\u2019s clear that the green bureaucrats are trying to pull the wool over people\u2019s eyes. It\u2019s so transparent as to be laughable. Grant Shapps needs to get a grip his department.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Background information<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/assets.publishing.service.gov.uk\/government\/uploads\/system\/uploads\/attachment_data\/file\/1176511\/electricity-generation-costs-2023.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">New Department for Energy Security and Net Zero figures<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.netzerowatch.com\/a-fairy-story-offshore-wind-costs\/\">Net Zero Watch\u2019s analysis<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.telegraph.co.uk\/politics\/2023\/07\/29\/tory-pms-systematically-dishonest-1-trillion-cost-net-zero\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Lord Hammond\u2019s remarks<\/a>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Net Zero Watch&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.netzerowatch.com\/net-zero-watch-urges-uk-government-to-stand-up-to-wind-lobbys-blackmail\/\">renewables cost estimates<\/a>, based on hard data.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Lord Frost has called on ministers and civil servants to come clean about the cost of wind power, echoing last week\u2019s statement by Lord Hammond. Frost\u2019s comments come after new renewables cost estimates from the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero were widely ridiculed on social media.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":272161,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691821687,691821685,691818130,691821686],"class_list":["post-272157","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-cost-of-wind-power","tag-lord-frost","tag-renewables","tag-whitehall-renewables","fallback-thumbnail"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/image-273.png?fit=1440%2C959&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-18ND","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":258489,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=258489","url_meta":{"origin":272157,"position":0},"title":"Lord Frost warns: Hurtling towards net zero at any cost will be a\u00a0mistake","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"05\/21\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"With 800,000 British car-making jobs on the line because we\u2019re not making enough batteries for electric vehicles, leading motor manufacturers are demanding renegotiated trade rules with the EU to give us more time to catch up. 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