{"id":263965,"date":"2023-06-26T15:48:15","date_gmt":"2023-06-26T13:48:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=263965"},"modified":"2023-06-26T15:48:17","modified_gmt":"2023-06-26T13:48:17","slug":"wind-costs-will-remain-high","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=263965","title":{"rendered":"Wind costs will remain high"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"362\" data-attachment-id=\"263969\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=263969\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?fit=2400%2C1201&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2400,1201\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?fit=723%2C362&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=723%2C362&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263969\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=1024%2C512&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=300%2C150&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=768%2C384&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=1536%2C769&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=2048%2C1025&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?resize=1200%2C601&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?w=2169&amp;ssl=1 2169w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"http:\/\/Net Zero Watch\">Net Zero Watch<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By <em>Gordon Hughes<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"636\" data-attachment-id=\"263967\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=263967\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?fit=2048%2C1802&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"2048,1802\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048&amp;#215;1802-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?fit=723%2C636&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=723%2C636&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-263967\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=1024%2C901&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=300%2C264&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=768%2C676&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=1536%2C1352&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?resize=1200%2C1056&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?w=2048&amp;ssl=1 2048w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0Wind_Isnt_Working_frame-2048x1802-1.png?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The crash in Siemens Energy\u2019s share price on Friday has admirably highlighted an issue with wind costs that colleagues and I have been examining for more than a decade. The painful facts are that (i) wind generation, both onshore and offshore, is more expensive than we are being told and (ii) the performance of wind turbines tends to deteriorate with age, in significant part because of the kind of failures reported by Siemens Energy. There is strong evidence to support these conclusions, which has been presented in reports published by the Renewable Energy Foundation in&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ref.org.uk\/attachments\/article\/280\/ref.hughes.19.12.12.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">2012<\/a>&nbsp;and in 2020 for the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ref.org.uk\/Files\/performance-wind-power-uk.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">UK<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.ref.org.uk\/Files\/performance-wind-power-dk.pdf\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Denmark<\/a>, with updates provided by the&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.thegwpf.org\/publications\/forget-the-spin-offshore-wind-costs-are-not-falling\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Global Warming Policy Foundation<\/a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.netzerowatch.com\/type-failure-or-wear-and-tear-in-european-offshore-wind\/\">Net Zero Watch<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The news about Siemens Energy brings a strong inclination to say \u2018you were warned\u2019. However, their travails are a symptom of a much more widespread disease, which affects all of us, either directly through the costs of electricity or indirectly as the owners of wind farms (via pension funds and other investment vehicles). The plunge in the share price of Siemens Energy is dramatic, but that may be written off as a temporary market response to disappointed expectations. We need to look beneath the immediate story to understand the reasons for the disappointment and their implications for the prospects for wind generation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The announcement by Siemens Energy focused on higher-than-expected failure rates for their&nbsp;<em>onshore&nbsp;<\/em>turbines. These were ascribed to problems with key components, but newspaper reports suggest more systematic design faults in recent generations of large turbines. Previous announcements have referred to problems with offshore turbines, and the market reaction suggests few believe that the current problems are confined to onshore turbines. Further, while each of the major turbine manufacturers has its own specific problems, Siemens Energy is not unique in experiencing high warranty costs due to higher than anticipated failure rates.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In increasing order of importance, there are three aspects to note:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(a) Siemens Energy and other manufacturers have given warranties on performance that won\u2019t be met because of higher failure rates. They will incur additional expenses, either to replace components or to compensate wind farm operators for any resulting underperformance. Those costs are the basis for the write-offs that Siemens Energy has had to take. Investors will be painfully aware that the company has been declaring profits when they sell wind turbines, but without making adequate provision for future warranty repair costs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In accounting terms this is known as recognising future profits for new contracts. When it becomes clear that the contracts will be less profitable, the company must write down the value of previously reported profits and, thus, the value of the assets on its balance sheet. In effect, though perhaps entirely innocently, the company has been misleading investors about its past and current profitability. Senior managers should be feeling very uncomfortable about their positions since the problem was predictable (and predicted).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(b) Warranties have a limited period \u2013 often 5 to 8 years \u2013 but the higher failure rates will persist and affect performance over the remainder of the life of the wind farms where the turbines have been installed. Their future opex costs will be higher than expected, and their output will be significantly lower. This will reduce their operational lifetimes, which are determined by how the margin between revenues and costs changes as wind farms get older. Lower revenues and higher costs bring forward the date at which replacement or repowering is necessary. These changes will reduce, often quite substantially, the returns earned by the financial investors \u2013 pension funds and other \u2013 to whom operators sell the majority of the equity in wind farms after a few years of operation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">(c) Siemens Energy and other manufacturers may argue that they can \u2013 with time \u2013 fix the component and design problems which lead to high failure rates. They may well be correct. The history of power engineering is littered with examples of new generations of equipment which experienced major problems when first introduced but which were eventually sorted out. Many companies have found themselves in severe financial difficulties or even forced into bankruptcy by these \u201cteething\u201d problems. The error in this case has been to pretend that wind turbines were immune to such failures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The whole justification for the falling costs of wind generation rested on the assumption that much bigger turbines would produce more output at lower capex cost per megawatt, without the large costs of generational change. Now we have confirmation that such optimism is entirely unjustified \u2013 the whole development process has been a case of too far, too fast. Again, this was both predictable and predicted. The idea that wind turbines are immune to the factors that affect other types of power engineering was always absurd. The consequence is that both capital and operating costs for wind farms will not fall as rapidly as claimed and may not fall significantly at all. It follows that current energy policies in the UK, Europe and the United States are based on foundations of sand \u2013 na\u00efve optimism reinforced by enthusiastic lobbying divorced from engineering reality.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the longer term it is (b) and (c) that are the big story. With respect to (a), serious analysts have&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/watt-logic.com\/2023\/06\/14\/wind-farm-costs\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">long since recognised<\/a>&nbsp;that claims made about future wind costs and performance by the wind industry should not be taken seriously. It has been obvious that they were kidding themselves and their investors ever since the last 2010s. Unfortunately, we have now been tied into a high energy-cost future, with all the implications that has for the economy and standards of living.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The crash in Siemens Energy\u2019s share price on Friday has admirably highlighted an issue with wind costs that colleagues and I have been examining for more than a decade. The painful facts are that (i) wind generation, both onshore and offshore, is more expensive than we are being told and (ii) the performance of wind turbines tends to deteriorate with age, in significant part because of the kind of failures reported by Siemens Energy. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":263969,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691820501,691818181,691820489,691818064],"class_list":{"0":"post-263965","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-costs","9":"tag-renewable-energy","10":"tag-siemens-energy","11":"tag-windpower","13":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/0da001cc0910f209d81601af0beeddd22.jpg?fit=2400%2C1201&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-16Fv","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":267610,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=267610","url_meta":{"origin":263965,"position":0},"title":"Crash Test Dummies: Wind Turbine Maker Siemens Suffers Massive Share Price\u00a0Slump","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"15\/07\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"The world\u2019s wind turbine makers are bleeding cash; none of them are capable of turning a profit and all of them are facing financial ruin.","rel":"","context":"In \"CO2\"","block_context":{"text":"CO2","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?tag=co2"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/0Screenshot-2020-12-23-at-1.46.47-AM-1536x895-1.png?fit=1200%2C699&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200,"srcset":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/0Screenshot-2020-12-23-at-1.46.47-AM-1536x895-1.png?fit=1200%2C699&ssl=1&resize=350%2C200 1x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/0Screenshot-2020-12-23-at-1.46.47-AM-1536x895-1.png?fit=1200%2C699&ssl=1&resize=525%2C300 1.5x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/0Screenshot-2020-12-23-at-1.46.47-AM-1536x895-1.png?fit=1200%2C699&ssl=1&resize=700%2C400 2x, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/07\/0Screenshot-2020-12-23-at-1.46.47-AM-1536x895-1.png?fit=1200%2C699&ssl=1&resize=1050%2C600 3x"},"classes":[]},{"id":287785,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=287785","url_meta":{"origin":263965,"position":1},"title":"Germany To Bail Out Siemens\u2019 Struggling Wind Turbine Division","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"13\/11\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"Siemens Energy, facing significant losses, is in talks for up to 15 billion euros in guarantees, with the German state covering 80% of the initial funding. 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