{"id":260538,"date":"2023-06-03T21:59:02","date_gmt":"2023-06-03T19:59:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=260538"},"modified":"2023-06-03T21:59:05","modified_gmt":"2023-06-03T19:59:05","slug":"dont-tell-the-doomsters-and-gloomsters-but-ice-around-antarcticas-thwaites-doomsday-glacier-was-eight-times-thinner-around-8000-years-ago","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=260538","title":{"rendered":"Don\u2019t Tell the Doomsters and Gloomsters, But Ice Around Antarctica\u2019s Thwaites \u2018Doomsday\u2019 Glacier Was Eight Times Thinner Around 8,000 Years Ago"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From The Daily Sceptic<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By\u00a0CHRIS MORRISON<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Sensational new scientific findings at a site on the West Antarctica ice sheet near the Thwaites \u2019Doomsday\u2019 Glacier indicate that current ice levels are up to eight times thicker than they were around 8,000 years ago. A group of 13 scientists led by Greg Balco of the Berkeley Geochronology Centre carried out extensive field work in the Amundsen Sea Embayment between the Thwaites and Pope glaciers and found current thickness levels of 40 metres compared with measurements in the recent past ranging from 2-7m. The work is of major importance since it casts new light<\/a> on the cycles of ice production and loss that have always occurred in an area riddled with buried volcanoes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The scientists noted that \u201csubglacial bedrock exposure\u201d analysis gives \u201cdirect, unambiguous evidence for ice thinning and subsequent thickening of at least 35m during the past several thousand years\u201d. Furthermore, the work shows that ice thinning is a natural process that is reversible. It is noted that this is an important finding given the concerns that ice sheet thinning at the nearby glaciers including Thwaites may lead to significant deglaciation across the West Antarctica ice sheet, and subsequent sea level rise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The scientists also refer to evidence from other field work that shows rapid early and middle Holocene ice thinning up to around 7,000 years ago throughout the Amundsen sea area. In addition, they found that there was no evidence to suggest that the ice has been thicker than its present levels for over 4,000 years. Record recent highs no less \u2013 hold the front page, or maybe not!<\/p>\n\n\n\n

It is almost certain that these findings will be ignored in the mainstream media where the political requirements of \u2018settled\u2019 science have led to an effective ban on the discussion of natural geological influences on the climate. Antarctica is a difficult area to drum up climate alarm about since warming has been \u201cnearly non-existent\u201d over the last seven decades of recorded history. Changes around the massive Thwaites glacier are one of the key poster stories designed to spread global climate fear, and promote the solution of the collectivist Net Zero project.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The above graph from the recent Singh and Polvani paper<\/a> shows recent warming only in the west of the continent. Of course, it begs the question for those who attribute all climate change to humans burning fossil fuel \u2013 why would a well-mixed atmospheric gas like carbon dioxide produce just one warming spot in Antarctica, and have no effect over the rest of the ice-covered continent? A more plausible explanation for the localised warming is the presence of volcanoes, particularly in the light of the recent discovery<\/a> of an additional 91 of them in the region. In total, there are 138 identified volcanoes in the West Antarctica Rift System, with heights ranging from 300 to 12,600 ft.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The No Tricks Zone<\/em> science site adds to the discussion by noting<\/a> that while the Earth\u2019s crust has an average thickness of 40 km, the Thwaites-Pine Island-Pope glacier region has a thinner covering between 10-18 kms, exposing the base of the ice to 580C tectonic trenches. NTZ<\/em> references work in Dziadek et al<\/em> (2021) that the \u201celevated geothermal heat flow band\u201d is exerting a \u201cprofound influence on the flow dynamics of the Western Antarctica Ice Sheet\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Thwaite has been tagged the \u2018Doomsday Glacier\u2019 since perceived instabilities can be whipped up to promote fear about massive potential sea level rises. When the BBC green activist-in-chief Justin Rowlatt flew to the area, he witnessed an \u201cepic vision of shattered ice\u201d. To him, the Antarctic is the \u201cfrontline of climate change<\/a>\u201d. He went on to note that it was a place \u201cwhere the equilibrium that has held our world in balance for tens of thousands of years is beginning to slip and crash\u201d. The National Maritime Museum in Greenwich recently posted<\/a> a film on YouTube saying, \u201cWithin decades the massive Thwaites glacier in West Antarctica could collapse.\u201d The Guardian<\/em> was recently worried<\/a> that \u201ccracks and fissures\u201d made breakup more likely.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

NTZ<\/em> notes there are many scientifically established natural causes of ice melt in the region. The new Balco study is said to categorically undermine claims that the ice melt occurring is \u201cunusual, unprecedented, or unnatural\u201d. Interestingly, the Balco-led scientists suggest that possible stability during the past thinning\/thickening phases was provided by a \u201cglacioisostatic rebound feedback\u201d. This means that the Earth\u2019s surface naturally rises from underlying layers as huge weights of ice are removed. This effect is common across the planet, where some land mass is rising as a result of the lifting of the recent period of glaciation.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Chris Morrison is the <\/em>Daily Sceptic\u2019s Environment Editor.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Sensational new scientific findings at a site on the West Antarctica ice sheet near the Thwaites \u2019Doomsday\u2019 Glacier indicate that current ice levels are up to eight times thicker than they were around 8,000 years ago.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":260544,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691818326,691819937,691818056,691819936,691819045],"class_list":{"0":"post-260538","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-antarctica","9":"tag-balco-study","10":"tag-climate-change","11":"tag-doomsday","12":"tag-thwaites-glacier","14":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/013TGZodiaksealtag.jpeg?fit=2000%2C1333&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-15Me","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":330323,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=330323","url_meta":{"origin":260538,"position":0},"title":"Doomsday Glacier 2024 Hot News\u00a0(again)","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"27\/05\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Climate alarmists are known to recycle memes to frighten the public into supporting their agenda. 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