{"id":259644,"date":"2023-05-29T21:46:39","date_gmt":"2023-05-29T19:46:39","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=259644"},"modified":"2023-05-29T21:46:41","modified_gmt":"2023-05-29T19:46:41","slug":"lord-frost-net-zero-route-inevitably-wasteful-and-damaging","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=259644","title":{"rendered":"Lord Frost: Net zero route \u201cinevitably wasteful and\u00a0damaging\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"478\" data-attachment-id=\"259648\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=259648\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?fit=1772%2C1172&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1772,1172\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00Image-energy-efficiency\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?fit=723%2C478&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency-1024x677.jpg?resize=723%2C478&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259648\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?resize=1024%2C677&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?resize=300%2C198&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?resize=768%2C508&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?resize=1536%2C1016&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?resize=1200%2C794&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?w=1772&amp;ssl=1 1772w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/00Image-energy-efficiency.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/tallbloke.wordpress.com\/\">Tallbloke&#8217;s Talkshop<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">May 26, 2023 by\u00a0<strong>oldbrew<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"259645\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=259645\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?fit=481%2C364&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"481,364\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-378\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?fit=481%2C364&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?resize=723%2C547&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-259645\" width=\"723\" height=\"547\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?w=481&amp;ssl=1 481w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?resize=300%2C227&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/05\/image-378.png?resize=200%2C150&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Leaving aside all discussion of whether \u2018the climate\u2019 is under any sort of human control, Lord Frost forecasts national economic pain and asks: where are the viable electricity storage options?<\/em><br>\u2013 \u2013 \u2013<br>Lord David Frost, the former Brexit minister has voiced significant concerns regarding the nation\u2019s chosen path towards achieving net zero emissions,&nbsp;<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.energylivenews.com\/2023\/05\/26\/net-zero-route-inevitably-wasteful-and-damaging-argues-uk-official\/\">reports Energy Live News<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a speech delivered at the Global Warming Policy Foundation to an audience in Central London last night, Lord Frost expressed doubts about the viability and potential damage associated with the current approach.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Lord Frost said: \u201cI am going to argue that the route we have chosen to deliver net zero is inevitably wasteful and damaging; that it is totally implausible that it will boost growth and much more likely that it will reduce it; that as a result governments are pursuing completely incompatible political and economic objectives, but will not be able to do so forever; that when the crunch comes they may well double down on further economically damaging measures in order to meet the goal; and, therefore, finally, that people like me must prepare for that moment when we will need to try to get onto a more rational path with a rethink of net zero methods and, almost certainly, timetable.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">He continued: \u201cIn Britain, we will soon be making people buy inferior and more expensive boiler technology and driving many out of the new car market if they aren\u2019t prepared to take a punt on electric vehicles.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cHouse designs are increasingly constrained and indeed energy efficiency requirements are squeezing the whole housing market. Most egregiously, we are forcing investment in windmills, a technological breakthrough when first mentioned when Henry II was on the throne, but less obviously suited to providing power on demand today, given that we have so far found no solution to the intermittency problem other than maintaining a back up network of gas and coal-fired power stations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe battery storage technology does not exist, hydro storage can\u2019t be developed on anything like the right scale, and hydrogen remains costly and unproven. Moreover, it is surely obvious that renewables plus back up will be more expensive than just the back up.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cDespite all these problems, many seem to believe that the solution to our problems is just to keep building windmills until we have \u2018enough\u2019.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Full report&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.energylivenews.com\/2023\/05\/26\/net-zero-route-inevitably-wasteful-and-damaging-argues-uk-official\/\">here<\/a><\/em>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cThe battery storage technology does not exist, hydro storage can\u2019t be developed on anything like the right scale, and hydrogen remains costly and unproven. Moreover, it is surely obvious that renewables plus back up will be more expensive than just the back 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