{"id":255122,"date":"2023-04-28T19:12:31","date_gmt":"2023-04-28T17:12:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=255122"},"modified":"2023-04-28T19:12:35","modified_gmt":"2023-04-28T17:12:35","slug":"climate-sense-and-nonsense-lindzen-2023-04-20","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=255122","title":{"rendered":"Climate Sense and Nonsense (Lindzen 2023-04-20)"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"557\" data-attachment-id=\"255145\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255145\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?fit=1348%2C1039&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1348,1039\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?fit=723%2C557&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?resize=723%2C557&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255145\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?resize=1024%2C789&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?resize=300%2C231&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?resize=768%2C592&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?resize=1200%2C925&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00image-20150427-18152-19bkseg.jpg?w=1348&amp;ssl=1 1348w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"http:\/\/Science Matters\">Science Matters<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/rclutz.com\/author\/ronaldrc\/\">Ron Clutz<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<span class=\"embed-youtube\" style=\"text-align:center; display: block;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" class=\"youtube-player\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/DYWrehjaMFQ?version=3&#038;rel=1&#038;showsearch=0&#038;showinfo=1&#038;iv_load_policy=1&#038;fs=1&#038;hl=en-US&#038;autohide=2&#038;wmode=transparent\" allowfullscreen=\"true\" style=\"border:0;\" sandbox=\"allow-scripts allow-same-origin allow-popups allow-presentation allow-popups-to-escape-sandbox\"><\/iframe><\/span>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Introduction:&nbsp;<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>BizNews interviewed veteran climate expert<strong>&nbsp;Dr Richard Lindzen<\/strong>, the&nbsp;<strong>pioneering atmospheric physicist<\/strong>&nbsp;and former emeritus professor of meteorology at MIT. He recounted<strong>&nbsp;events that<\/strong>&nbsp;occurred in the 1980s, which&nbsp;<strong>gave birth to the all-consuming climate change narrative<\/strong>&nbsp;that prevails today. Having begun his research on climate change in the mid-70s, motivated by a sincere interest in understanding the Earth\u2019s climate regimes,&nbsp;<strong>Lindzen offers a remarkably sensible assessment<\/strong>&nbsp;of the various elements parading as scientific evidence of an impending climate catastrophe. Particularly revealing from his recollection of events is&nbsp;<strong>how complicit the media and politicians have been<\/strong>&nbsp;in forcing the disastrous climate change narrative upon an unsuspecting and trusting public from the very beginning.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This recent interview by Richard Lindzen provides a brief and compelling overview sorting out facts and fictions regarding global warming\/climate change.&nbsp; For those who prefer reading, below is a lightly edited transcript from the closed captions in italics with my bolds and added images.&nbsp; BN is Biz News and RL is Richard Lindzen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Joining me is one of the world\u2019s leading voices on climate change, atmospheric physicist Dr Richard Lindzen. Dr lindsden I really appreciate your time; you\u2019ve been an expert on climate change for over four decades now having started your research in the mid 70s. Briefly walk me through your career and&nbsp;<strong>what it was about climate change that captured your attention.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;It\u2019s a peculiar question. I mean, do you think things only become interesting once they\u2019re political?&nbsp;<strong>With the general circulation of the atmosphere, you want to know why you have the current climate.<\/strong>&nbsp;You have&nbsp;<strong>dozens of regimes throughout the Earth<\/strong>, so when you speak about the climate of the earth what the hell are you talking about?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>South Africa is a very different climate from New England. The Pacific has many climate regimes, and you have the monsoon regimes in India. So there are a lot of things to understand. And&nbsp;<strong>it had nothing to do with the environmentalism; it was to understand how nature is on carbon dioxide and the greenhouse effect.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;You\u2019ve claimed that<strong>&nbsp;believing that increased carbon dioxide is the largest driver of climate change is akin to believing in magic.<\/strong>&nbsp;What&nbsp;<strong>evidence<\/strong>&nbsp;supports this argument and what are the&nbsp;<strong>actual effects<\/strong>&nbsp;of increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, you\u2019re asking a complex question.&nbsp;<strong>Carbon dioxide is a relatively minor greenhouse gas<\/strong>. But the question arises when you speak about<strong>&nbsp;what controls climate<\/strong>, and you\u2019re speaking about&nbsp;<strong>dozens of different climate regimes<\/strong>.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">Saying there is one knob that controls the whole works makes no sense,<br>and that is belief in magic.<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>But you know<strong>\u00a0greenhouse effect is useful for one climatic index<\/strong>\u00a0namely:\u00a0<strong>Why is the Earth different from Venus or Mars or Mercury?<\/strong>\u00a0Those are<strong>\u00a0huge differences<\/strong>. They depend on basically<strong>\u00a0the mean radiative picture<\/strong>; which includes the greenhouse, the distance from the Sun, the amount of radiation you get and so on. So within a given planet, in particular the\u00a0<strong>Earth<\/strong>\u00a0our primary concern, we refer to the\u00a0<strong>differences in climate<\/strong>\u00a0that like the Ice Ages and the very warm period 50 million years ago. These are really pretty\u00a0<strong>tiny compared to the differences between the planets.<\/strong>\u00a0And those \u201ctiny\u201d differences that we obsess on for good reason are not due to the greenhouse effect.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"406\" data-attachment-id=\"255125\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255125\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?fit=1000%2C562&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,562\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?fit=723%2C406&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?resize=723%2C406&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255125\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02021_03_11_happer_09_1400x787.webp?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">They\u2019re due to the transport of heat between the tropics and the high latitudes.<br>And they are part of the Dynamics of the system<br>which depends on a number of factors<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"407\" data-attachment-id=\"255128\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255128\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?fit=1280%2C720&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1280,720\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0weather-map\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?fit=723%2C407&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?resize=723%2C407&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255128\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?resize=1024%2C576&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?resize=300%2C169&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?resize=768%2C432&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?resize=1200%2C675&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0weather-map.png?w=1280&amp;ssl=1 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So primarily, what what does carry the heat? Well the ocean carries some heat but in many respects the most important thing is the so-called highs and lows. If you look at a weather map, it\u2019s a little bit different in the southern hemisphere, but here you have the\u00a0<strong>highs and lows going from west to east carrying weather.<\/strong>\u00a0When you have the wind blowing from the north it\u2019s cold, from South it\u2019s warm. And this oscillates and gives work to your weathermen. In any event those same things carry heat to the pole. And many things determine them, but mainly it\u2019s the\u00a0<strong>differential heating between the tropics and the pole.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"255130\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255130\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1.webp?fit=638%2C436&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"638,436\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1.webp?fit=638%2C436&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1.webp?resize=723%2C494&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255130\" width=\"723\" height=\"494\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1.webp?w=638&amp;ssl=1 638w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00rad_balance_ERBE_1987-1.webp?resize=300%2C205&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em>ERBE measurements of radiative imbalance.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So you have a system which has these features, and all of a sudden you&nbsp;<strong>obsess on the greenhouse effect.<\/strong>&nbsp;You end up having people&nbsp;<strong>saying really stupid things<\/strong>. So we\u2019ve<strong>&nbsp;increased the temperature one degree or 1.1 in the last 100 years 120 years 150 years.<\/strong>&nbsp;And it\u2019s been accompanied by the greatest improvement in human welfare in the history of the Earth, while some&nbsp;<strong>claim one-half degree more will be curtains.<\/strong>&nbsp;Only a politician could come up with something quite that absurd. But on the other hand when you get to the U.N and other things.<strong>&nbsp;it\u2019s politicians<\/strong>&nbsp;that run it. And they\u2019ve<strong>&nbsp;enabled this hysteria,<\/strong>&nbsp;frightening children their lives are going to be finished in short order. The UN IPCC has a working group that deals with science (<strong>Working Group 1<\/strong>). Even there in a thousand pages&nbsp;<strong>they don\u2019t speak about an existential threat.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So you have other reports from the U.N that are not scientific that say: Oh yes it\u2019s coming to the end of the world. And politicians say, well this is what we have to go by. I don\u2019t know what you do, but<strong>&nbsp;it\u2019s an evil movement, and it\u2019s causing immense damage.<\/strong>&nbsp;It is trying to condemn people in Africa in the developing world to perpetual poverty. And yet I have to ask: Why would this be a goal? I don\u2019t know.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;One of the cornerstones of this, let\u2019s call it an agenda, is the constant bombardment to the public of&nbsp;<strong>reports on the rise of extreme weather events<\/strong>&nbsp;is this are these reports patently false or are they due to climate change?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, you\u2019re pointing to something very important. Even if it were occurring how do you relate it to this one number? But&nbsp;<strong>it\u2019s not even true<\/strong>. Again going back to the IPCC,<strong>&nbsp;in the UN report<\/strong>&nbsp;they say there is virtually<strong>&nbsp;no evidence of a relationship between extreme events and climate change.<\/strong>&nbsp;Now they say that, but<strong>&nbsp;that doesn\u2019t fit the politics, so they say something else.<\/strong>&nbsp;If you know of the American comic of years ago, Groucho Marx; he said, \u201cI have my principles. If you don\u2019t like them I have others.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;That\u2019s actually a good description on the politicization of climate change and the significant human progress enabled by the fossil fuel industry. Under this<strong>&nbsp;politicization<\/strong>, what do you think the&nbsp;<strong>end goal<\/strong>&nbsp;could possibly be for the manipulation of data given by the IPCC and the dismissal of data that contradicts it?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>\u00a0Well, the<strong>\u00a0energy sector is vital,<\/strong>\u00a0it is the harnessing of\u00a0<strong>fossil fuels that has led to the massive development<\/strong>\u00a0of the western world. You know the progress since the invention of the steam engine has been the major feature in world history. On the other hand, because it\u2019s such a large sector there are\u00a0<strong>opportunities to make fortunes, even if your only activity is destroying the system<\/strong>. So for example in the U.S our current budget is showing trillions of dollars for climate change. Whether or not you think it makes sense doesn\u2019t matter; somebody\u2019s going to get those trillions of dollars and they have a real interest.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"255132\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255132\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-519.png?fit=615%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"615,450\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-519\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-519.png?fit=615%2C450&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-519.png?resize=723%2C529&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255132\" width=\"723\" height=\"529\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-519.png?w=615&amp;ssl=1 615w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-519.png?resize=300%2C220&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;I presume that the predominant funding would go to&nbsp;<strong>Renewables<\/strong>; pretty much anything that\u2019s not nuclear or fossil fuel.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>\u00a0What about the<strong>\u00a0tools that extract energy<\/strong>\u00a0from this, they\u2019re\u00a0<strong>not renewable<\/strong>. |They involve slave labor and that sounds pretty good doesn\u2019t it. Now you have material usage, you have destruction of Landscapes. It\u2019s almost as though the<strong>\u00a0environmental movement has decided to commit suicide<\/strong>\u00a0and go all in for things that destroy the environment. What you\u2019re doing with the solar pedals and windmills and so on, you\u2019re killing birds you\u2019re destroying the environment. These have lifetimes of 10, 20 years, and you don\u2019t know how to dispose of them. So this has nothing to do with the environment, it\u2019s a power play.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"255133\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255133\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-520.png?fit=600%2C690&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"600,690\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-520\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-520.png?fit=600%2C690&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-520.png?resize=723%2C831&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255133\" width=\"723\" height=\"831\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-520.png?w=600&amp;ssl=1 600w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-520.png?resize=261%2C300&amp;ssl=1 261w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;I had an interview with Professor William Harper and he said that the&nbsp;<strong>climate change activism movement<\/strong>&nbsp;is a joke and comparable to a coalition or organized crime unit of religious fanatics. And you\u2019ve expressed the same sentiment. To what extent do you think that this is a result of people having pure intentions, but not being properly informed, not just trying to spin the situation far away from what the actual reality is.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>RL: It\u2019s hard to assess motivations.\u00a0 \u00a0You\u2019re certainly\u00a0<strong>taking the public and making them feel<\/strong>\u00a0that getting rid of carbon dioxide,\u00a0<strong>they\u2019re doing something virtuous<\/strong>. As I\u2019ve occasionally pointed out let\u2019s imagine somebody came up with a good device that could get rid of about 60, 70 percent of the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. What would be the result? The result would be: we\u2019d all be dead. That\u2019s a very peculiar pollutant. One that we can\u2019t live without.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"255135\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255135\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00end-is-near.webp?fit=360%2C284&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"360,284\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00end-is-near\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00end-is-near.webp?fit=360%2C284&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00end-is-near.webp?resize=506%2C399&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255135\" width=\"506\" height=\"399\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00end-is-near.webp?w=360&amp;ssl=1 360w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00end-is-near.webp?resize=300%2C237&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 506px) 100vw, 506px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Though I think it\u2019s based a lot on ignorance. You have economists talking about tipping points, and the geologists know that through&nbsp;<strong>most of the Earth\u2019s history we\u2019ve had far greater amounts of CO2<\/strong>. There\u2019s never been any evidence of a Tipping Point. This is a very implausible thing but it sounds scary. It\u2019s pretty clear going back on the history of the issue, when it got started&nbsp;<strong>in the early 80s, that it was already a governmental aim.<\/strong>&nbsp;You had these meetings at Villach, Austria and Bellagio, and there would be people interested in climate attending these, usually about a hundred. Those from the government were all in favor of this, while the others were scratching their heads and asking what\u2019s this about. Somewhere along the way, somebody must have decided this is the way to go and they started pushing for it. Global cooling wasn\u2019t panning out.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>I think from the beginning of Earth Day, it was obvious you<strong>&nbsp;wanted to control the energy sector.<\/strong>&nbsp;At first it was sort of amateurish, you know acid rain, global cooling. Then someone realized, no matter how clean you made energy it would still produce CO2. So let\u2019s go after that\u2013<strong>you\u2019ll never get rid of CO2 without getting rid of fossil fuels.<\/strong>&nbsp;There\u2019s no evidence whatever that this is well-intentioned.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;But we still have a measured consensus of between 90 and 100 per cent of climate scientists that agree that it\u2019s anthropogenic climate change. How is this the standing reality?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>RL: Look, in 1988 when Jim Hansen first testified before the U.S Senate,\u00a0<strong>Newsweek<\/strong>\u00a0ran a\u00a0<strong>cover<\/strong>\u00a0issue showing the Earth on fire with<strong>\u00a0the claim underneath, all scientists agree.<\/strong>\u00a0No scientists were asked.\u00a0\u00a0This is the way you convince the public, which is pretty illiterate when it comes to science. I don\u2019t think the public feels comfortable about that, which is often ignored. So you immediately assure them: the scientists all agree, you don\u2019t have to worry about it. And they knew that whether the scientists agree or not.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"469\" data-attachment-id=\"255136\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255136\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?fit=1000%2C649&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1000,649\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-521\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?fit=723%2C469&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?resize=723%2C469&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255136\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?w=1000&amp;ssl=1 1000w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?resize=300%2C195&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-521.png?resize=768%2C498&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Dr John Christie said that it\u2019s actually&nbsp;<strong>a completely falsified number.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh yeah as the record shows, there was a reduction from 1988 saying all scientists<\/em><br><em>Agree. Now it was only 97%. It\u2019s a fake number, it\u2019s just designed to tell people they don\u2019t have to understand the science, just go along<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;But then my question is if it is in fact such a small percentage of scientists that don\u2019t agree . . .<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>RL: But we have to ask\u00a0<strong>what they agreed to.<\/strong>\u00a0You can frame the issue so that it was a hundred percent, for instance if you asked whether increasing CO2 increases or decreases temperature. Well I should say it probably increases it slightly. And then that\u2019s listed as agreeing that the end of the world is coming if we increase CO2. They\u2019re two different questions.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"255138\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255138\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00dz97_consensus_myth.webp?fit=506%2C398&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"506,398\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00dz97_consensus_myth\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00dz97_consensus_myth.webp?fit=506%2C398&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00dz97_consensus_myth.webp?resize=723%2C569&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255138\" width=\"723\" height=\"569\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00dz97_consensus_myth.webp?w=506&amp;ssl=1 506w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00dz97_consensus_myth.webp?resize=300%2C236&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;So why do you think&nbsp;<strong>more climate scientists haven\u2019t actually been vocal<\/strong>&nbsp;about the complete inaccuracy of these consensus figures?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;it\u2019s a good question.&nbsp;<strong>One of the things that has changed is perfectly obvious. This was a small area in the 1980s.<\/strong>&nbsp;When you had a meeting, if you got a hundred people that was pretty substantial. And very few of them thought there was anything significant going on that would be called existential.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><em>So what happened? If you look at&nbsp;<strong>funding in the U.S for climate science between 1989 and 1996<\/strong>&nbsp;when Clinton\/Gore Administration came in, funding<strong>&nbsp;increased by about a factor of 15<\/strong>. You literally created a whole new field, and you knew that the&nbsp;<strong>people who were brought in, knew that the reason for the funding was this issue.<\/strong>&nbsp;Indeed if you didn\u2019t go along with it you lost your funding, So you know<strong>&nbsp;my funding ended as soon as I went public with my position.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;One of the common<strong>&nbsp;criticisms against you,<\/strong>&nbsp;your credibility and your views on climate science, is&nbsp;<strong>that you have ties to the fossil fuel industry<\/strong>. Is this true?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL: No.<\/strong>&nbsp;Remember that&nbsp;<strong>everyone in this following that 15-fold increase came in it for the money.<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>They assume anyone opposed must have gotten money<\/strong>&nbsp;from someone else. At MIT ExxonMobil does support some work, only on the part of people who support the alarm. The funniest was when&nbsp;<strong>they attacked me for writing an article in 1991 for Cato\u2019s regulation magazine.<\/strong>&nbsp;And their argument was 10 years prior to that, Cato had received 10% of its funding from ExxonMobil. Now for this article&nbsp;<strong>I was paid 200 dollars, so presumably two dollars of that was from ExxonMobil 10 years prior<\/strong>&nbsp;to convince me to change my view.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;I just try to balance the scales, to get two sides of the story. I had an interview with<strong>&nbsp;Professor Guy McPherson<\/strong>, and he says with a<strong>&nbsp;very deep conviction that<\/strong>&nbsp;we are in the midst of abrupt climate change and that the&nbsp;<strong>methane released<\/strong>&nbsp;predominantly by the Arctic ocean&nbsp;<strong>will be the end of humanity by 2026.<\/strong>&nbsp;What\u2019s your take on this?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well, he\u2019s&nbsp;<strong>entitled to any science fiction he wishes<\/strong>&nbsp;to produce, but there\u2019s<strong>&nbsp;no scientific evidence<\/strong>&nbsp;of that.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>I think once people realize that the public is amenable<br>to scare stories, they get carried away<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;What in your view is the&nbsp;<strong>political, economic and environmental implications of this move towards net zero<\/strong>&nbsp;and an abandonment of the fossil fuel industry?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL: Pure malice. . . Plus profits for a few.<\/strong>&nbsp;Quite obviously you have<strong>&nbsp;people like Gore and Kerry<\/strong>&nbsp;and so on making hundreds of millions of dollars flying around the world ignoring all the things that they would prohibit Ordinary People. I suppose for these people it\u2019s&nbsp;<strong>a return to feudalism where where us peasants should know our place and they should have their privilege.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;In 2001 you proposed<strong>&nbsp;the iris hypothesis<\/strong>&nbsp;on climate change. What was the premise of this?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well that was a question in some respects I think less important now. But since&nbsp;<strong>they were making a big fuss over changes of one degree, two degrees,<\/strong>&nbsp;so the question is why CO2 doesn\u2019t do much. And it turns out that<strong>&nbsp;they had assumed assumed feedbacks<\/strong>&nbsp;that instead of trying to preserve a situation&nbsp;<strong>would act to make whatever we do worse<\/strong>. And there were plenty of problems with these feedbacks they they were improperly implemented.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So with the cooperation of NASA at the time,&nbsp;<strong>we looked if there were any obvious things occurring that were negative feedbacks.<\/strong>&nbsp;And it did look as though essentially<strong>&nbsp;upper level clouds in the tropics<\/strong>&nbsp;were acting in such a manner as to<strong>&nbsp;oppose the greenhouse effect.<\/strong>&nbsp;That seemed like an important feedback and it\u2019s one which I think still likely plays a very important role in an important phenomenon that was called&nbsp;<strong>the early faint Sun paradox.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve ever heard about this, but the sun\u2019s output is increasing with time.&nbsp;<strong>If you go back two and a half billion years, the solar output was appreciably less than it is today.<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>Yet<\/strong>&nbsp;the evidence is the&nbsp;<strong>earth did not freeze over;<\/strong>&nbsp;the Earth maintained a&nbsp;<strong>temperature<\/strong>&nbsp;that was&nbsp;<strong>very similar to today.<\/strong>&nbsp;The question is: How could it do that with a 20, 30 percent reduction in radiation. And it turns out that&nbsp;<strong>this Iris feedback is entirely capable of balancing that change<\/strong>. And so I think that remains a fairly substantial argument for the system being stable.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;What are the&nbsp;<strong>epistemological issues around climate change research<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;OK. You have to remember a couple of things:&nbsp;<strong>One this was a small field. Two it was concerned with the problem: Why do you have different climate regimes;<\/strong>&nbsp;things that dealt with the Here and Now.&nbsp;<\/em><em>So when you&nbsp;<strong>increase the funding by a factor of 15 the talent wasn\u2019t available. So new topics were introduced,<\/strong>&nbsp;and one of them was&nbsp;<strong>climate impacts<\/strong>. Now this had nothing to do with understanding the physics of climate. If you were working on cockroaches, and you said my grant is to study the role of climate on cockroaches you got funded.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>So you have&nbsp;<strong>all these impacts: climate and obesity, climate and diabetes, and so on<\/strong>. They wanted a piece of the action and&nbsp;<strong>they all became \u201cclimate scientists.\u201d<\/strong>&nbsp;It\u2019s worth remembering for instance,&nbsp;<strong>in 1990 my department at MIT no one called themselves a climate scientist.<\/strong>&nbsp;There were good reasons for that: climate was a very comprehensive thing. I was working on Dynamic meteorology, colleagues were working on oceanography, there were Marine geochemists. None of us pretended to comprehensive knowledge of everything about climate.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">But all of a sudden you have people who know nothing about the physics<br>who are climate scientists because they got a grant<br>to find out whether diabetes was related to climate.<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;You say that climate variability is actually the thing that we should be looking at to understand what is changing our climate and not human activity. Can you summarize the difference between anthropogenic climate change and climate variability, and&nbsp;<strong>why it is that you believe it\u2019s climate variability that we should be looking at and not human activity<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Oh I\u2019m not saying you shouldn\u2019t look at things. People should be free to look at what they want.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/em><em>But we do know that<strong>&nbsp;long before there were even people, climate was changing markedly.<\/strong>&nbsp;Even&nbsp;<strong>before the Industrial Revolution<\/strong>&nbsp;there was&nbsp;<strong>a<\/strong>&nbsp;<strong>little ice age.<\/strong>&nbsp;It had all sorts of documents, for instance villages in the Alps saying the ice is overtaking our village. You had the<strong>&nbsp;ice ages every hundred thousand years<\/strong>&nbsp;in which you had massive glaciation.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">And you know this had nothing to do with people,<br>so you would need to understand those differences.<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>There was progress with the ice ages. A man called<strong>&nbsp;Milankovitch noticed that ice ages bore a relationship to orbital variations<\/strong>. It took a while but there were there was a climate program trying to find out how this worked. And we have a pretty good idea at this point of why that worked and&nbsp;<strong>Milankovitch was pretty much right<\/strong>. He said it would&nbsp;<strong>depend very much on the solar radiation in summer at high latitudes<\/strong>. And that was a well-known feature of glaciology: whether a glacier grows or not doesn\u2019t depend so much on winter which are always cold in the northern hemisphere. But in summer if the snow that accumulated in Winter melts, you don\u2019t build a glacier.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">If the summer is cool and the glacier snow doesn\u2019t fully melt,<br>then you build up each year.<br>You have thousands of years to build up your glacier.<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>Well you know it turns out for instance that&nbsp;<strong>CO2 follows temperature in the ice ages<\/strong>&nbsp;and it changes enough<strong>&nbsp;to change the flux about a watt per square meter.<\/strong>&nbsp;On the other hand when you look at the&nbsp;<strong>Milankovitch parameter, the incoming solar radiation<\/strong>&nbsp;over the course of this Ice Age cycle&nbsp;<strong>varies on the order of a hundred watts per square meter.<\/strong>&nbsp;That\u2019s much more significant.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>But then you have&nbsp;<strong>people say:<\/strong>&nbsp;\u201cWell yeah I know that since CO2 is following that you can\u2019t say CO2 caused it. But it must be&nbsp;<strong>CO2 amplification that was important.<\/strong>\u201d But I mean<strong>&nbsp;it makes no sense: one watt versus a hundred.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;When I spoke to&nbsp;<strong>Dr Judith Curry,<\/strong>&nbsp;her story was just a very unfortunate reflection of&nbsp;<strong>what happened to dissenting voices<\/strong>. And she said that she\u2019s essentially unhirable and so she had to leave for the private sector.&nbsp;<strong>What have you had to face as a result of going against the grain<\/strong>&nbsp;and the consensus for so many decades?<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Well you know Judith at first was a strong supporter of global warming and attacking anyone who questioned it. It\u2019s interesting that she changed. I don\u2019t know what to say. There are a couple of things that happened<strong>. First of all I\u2019m older, so I had a senior position<\/strong>. I was doing research in a lot of areas and the National Science Foundation was funding my research in fluid mechanics. That continued a while so I sort of did climb on the side.&nbsp;<strong>The department of energy at first tried to fund people on all sides subjectively, but by the 90s they were told to quit that<\/strong>. And so the research manager there did me a favor. I had not fully expended my funding and she let me keep it past the due date without adding anything to it so that allowed things to continue a bit longer.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>With publication again I was well known in the field<\/strong>&nbsp;and so<strong>&nbsp;I published some papers<\/strong>&nbsp;in the American Meteorological society\u2019s monthly Bulletin and they got through. They were reviewed but<strong>&nbsp;the editors were all fired immediately<\/strong>&nbsp;after publication. And the paper was never rejected but I immediately invited people to criticize it. When the<strong>&nbsp;criticisms were published, we were not permitted to answer for six months<\/strong>, which was very unusual.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;That\u2019s the&nbsp;<strong>manipulation of the justice system.<\/strong>&nbsp;How the situation is&nbsp;<strong>rigged to support the narrative<\/strong>&nbsp;and the complicity of politicians and scientists.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Yes the situation was rigged, it was&nbsp;<strong>very much a March through the institutions.<\/strong>&nbsp;And that\u2019s a&nbsp;<strong>problem for professional societies<\/strong>. Whether you are a member of the American physical Society or American Meteorological Society, or for that matter the American musicological society, you\u2019re a member of a group of people who have a professional interest. And they elect a president and an executive manager to take care of the public relations so on<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>I think the people pushing this issue realized&nbsp;<strong>all you had to do is turn an official,<\/strong>&nbsp;the executive manager or something,<strong>&nbsp;and he ends up speaking for the whole group, never having actually sampled the people.<\/strong>&nbsp;And so you take over the American Meteorological Society, the National Academy, the American Academy, all of them are top-down organizations with managers. And they\u2019ve done a terrific job of that<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>So you have some naive hypothesis that something as complex as climate is controlled by a single control knob of a minor gas that controls a couple of watts per meter squared out of hundreds.<\/strong>\u00a0You can\u00a0<strong>only<\/strong>\u00a0promote this<strong>\u00a0if you have a public, including political officials, who are totally illiterate or enumerate versus science.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"600\" data-attachment-id=\"255140\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255140\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?fit=850%2C705&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"850,705\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-522\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?fit=723%2C600&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?resize=723%2C600&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255140\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?w=850&amp;ssl=1 850w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?resize=300%2C249&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-522.png?resize=768%2C637&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>You mentioned to all these people who are getting support. You find that&nbsp;<strong>scientists only have to say<\/strong>&nbsp;something like they think&nbsp;<strong>CO2 increasing will give some warming<\/strong>&nbsp;and they leave it to the&nbsp;<strong>politicians to say this means the end of the world is coming.<\/strong>&nbsp;And their backup position is: I never said that.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Are there<strong>&nbsp;any anthropogenic elements<\/strong>&nbsp;that humans could increase or continue with, like fossil fuel consumption,&nbsp;<strong>that will possibly have catastrophic consequences?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;You know&nbsp;<strong>a nuclear war could do that but driving your SUV?<\/strong>&nbsp;I guess it appeals to certain people\u2019s vanity that we are all powerful.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;Just to close off: What would you recommend as&nbsp;<strong>a way out of this situation that feels a little bit like a trap?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;It\u2019s a very serious question. When you co-opt the institutional structure, then you have people like the&nbsp;<strong>world economic Forum, the EU full of bureaucrats who are just infatuated with the power<\/strong>&nbsp;they might have. It\u2019s got to be very difficult to break out, either there are political parties that are opposed to this. One hopes maybe they\u2019ll gain power and just trash this. Time will of course play a role but<strong>&nbsp;I hope we don\u2019t have to wait to see the destruction of modern society and realize it had nothing to do with climate.<\/strong>&nbsp;I\u2019d like to think we can get out of this before then.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;As it stands are we at risk or in any way getting close to a&nbsp;<strong>climate catastrophe?<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;I suppose it depends on how you define it.<strong>&nbsp;If you define a catastrophe as having three inches of extra rain one year, then we\u2019re all in their catastrophe. If you really mean an existential threat, the answer is: No,<\/strong>&nbsp;we\u2019re nowhere near that. It just makes no sense. These are scare stories you especially want to give to kindergarten kids because they have no defense mechanism.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em>You know there may be some hope that&nbsp;<strong>the developing world, I mean clearly China, India, Russia are ignoring this<\/strong>. They know it\u2019s nonsense so they\u2019re sitting by and&nbsp;<strong>watching the West self-destruct while wondering about what divine good luck they have<\/strong>. You know they\u2019re not going to do anything about it. If you\u2019re really worried about&nbsp;<strong>CO2<\/strong>&nbsp;you know we\u2019ve&nbsp;<strong>spent trillions of dollars trying to reduce it<\/strong>&nbsp;and get to Net Zero. And you look at CO2 versus time and&nbsp;<strong>it continues to increase.without any change<\/strong>&nbsp;So we\u2019ve had no impact upon that. So you\u2019d ask yourself:<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0);color:#e81515\" class=\"has-inline-color\">If we have no impact, and we\u2019re worried about it,<br>why aren\u2019t we building resilience?<br>Do we want to make ourselves more vulnerable<br>so we\u2019ll be properly punished? That\u2019s nuts.<\/mark><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"601\" data-attachment-id=\"255142\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255142\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?fit=999%2C831&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"999,831\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-523\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?fit=723%2C601&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?resize=723%2C601&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255142\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?w=999&amp;ssl=1 999w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?resize=300%2C250&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/image-523.png?resize=768%2C639&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>BN:<\/strong>&nbsp;It does sound like you\u2019re reading&nbsp;<strong>the message between the lines of the environmentalists.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><em><strong>RL:<\/strong>&nbsp;Yeah, it seems as though they hate Humanity,&nbsp;<strong>they want Power and they don\u2019t give a damn about the environment<\/strong>. And they certainly give&nbsp;<strong>no attention to feeding starving people,<\/strong>&nbsp;when that is in fact a real problem.&nbsp;<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Addendum:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a<a href=\"http:\/\/www.globalresearch.ca\/climate-science-is-it-currently-designed-to-answer-questions\/16330\"><strong>&nbsp;previous publication<\/strong><\/a>&nbsp;Lindzen sets the record straight about the \u201cMarch through Institutions\u201d with names and maneuvers which have crippled efforts to answer questions about the functioning of earth\u2019s climate system.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">When an issue becomes a vital part of a political agenda, as is the case with climate, then the politically desired position becomes a goal rather than a consequence of scientific research. This paper deals with the origin of the cultural changes and with specific examples of the operation and interaction of these factors. In particular, we will show how political bodies act to control scientific institutions, how scientists adjust both data and even theory to accommodate politically correct positions, and how opposition to these positions is disposed of.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">By taking a few minutes to read his text (link in red above), you can learn from Lindzen some important truths:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u2666&nbsp; How science was perverted from a successful mode of enquiry into a source of authority;<br>\u2666&nbsp; What are the consequences when fear is perceived to be the basis for scientific support rather than from gratitude and the trust associated with it;<br>\u2666&nbsp; How incentives are skewed in favor of perpetuating problems rather than solving them;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Why simulation and large programs replaced theory and observation as the basis of scientific investigation;<br>\u2666&nbsp; How specific institutions and scientific societies were infiltrated and overtaken by political activists;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Specific examples where data and analyses have been manipulated to achieve desired conclusions;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Specific cases of concealing such truths as may call into question global warming alarmism;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Examples of the remarkable process of \u201cdiscreditation\u201d by which attack papers are quickly solicited and published against an undesirable finding;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Cases of Global Warming Revisionism, by which skeptical positions of prominent people are altered after they are dead;<br>\u2666&nbsp; Dangers to societies and populations from governments, NGOs and corporations exploiting climate change.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Summary:<\/strong>\u00a0Thanks to Richard Lindzen and others for putting on the record how broken is the field of climate science. It is dangerous in itself, and it also extends into other domains, threatening the scientific basis of modern civilization. Fixing such scientific perversions will be difficult and lengthy, but it can only start with acknowledging how bad it is. It truly is worse than we thought.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"510\" data-attachment-id=\"255144\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=255144\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?fit=800%2C564&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"800,564\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00bg042423dAPR-800&amp;#215;0-1\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?fit=723%2C510&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?resize=723%2C510&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-255144\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?w=800&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?resize=300%2C212&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00bg042423dAPR-800x0-1.jpg?resize=768%2C541&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Carbon dioxide is a relatively minor greenhouse gas. 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