{"id":252488,"date":"2023-04-12T11:45:25","date_gmt":"2023-04-12T09:45:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=252488"},"modified":"2023-04-12T11:45:28","modified_gmt":"2023-04-12T09:45:28","slug":"is-the-antarctic-driven-abyssal-ocean-overturning-doomed-in-2050","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=252488","title":{"rendered":"Is the Antarctic-driven abyssal ocean overturning doomed in 2050?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"458\" data-attachment-id=\"252505\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252505\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?fit=1580%2C1000&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1580,1000\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;1&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"00antarctica-canyon01\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?fit=723%2C458&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=723%2C458&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252505\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=1024%2C648&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=300%2C190&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=768%2C486&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=1536%2C972&amp;ssl=1 1536w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?resize=1200%2C759&amp;ssl=1 1200w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?w=1580&amp;ssl=1 1580w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?w=1446&amp;ssl=1 1446w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"http:\/\/Climate Etc.\">Climate Etc.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">by Frank Bosse<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Probably not, in spite of the recent headlines.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A recent article in Nature&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-023-05762-w\">Abyssal ocean overturning slowdown and warming driven by Antarctic meltwater<\/a>&nbsp;by England et al. (hereafter E23) caused quite a stir in the media.&nbsp; The BBC wrote:<a href=\"https:\/\/judithcurry.com\/2023\/04\/11\/is-the-antarctic-driven-abyssal-ocean-overturning-doomed-in-2050\/_wp_link_placeholder\">Antarctic Ocean currents heading for collapse \u2013 report<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">E23 built a model to describe the formation and behavior of abyssal water masses around Antarctica.&nbsp; The Antarctic abyssal waters are important due to its impact on the overturning circulation (AOC) \u2013 the lower cell of the Meridional Overturning Curculation (MOC) \u2013 which overturns heat, freshwater, oxygen, carbon and nutrients in the abyssal ocean.&nbsp; The AOC directly influences warming and the availability of nutrients to support marine life near the surface of the ocean.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Here is a schematic of the global MOC:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"283\" data-attachment-id=\"252490\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252490\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM.webp?fit=768%2C301&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,301\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM.webp?fit=723%2C283&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM.webp?resize=723%2C283&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252490\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.36.58-PM.webp?resize=300%2C118&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Fig.1.: The global MOC, a reproduction of Fig.1 of&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/oceans.mit.edu\/JohnMarshall\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/08\/Closure-of-the-meridional-overturning_134.pdf\">Marshall \/ Speer (2012)<\/a>.&nbsp; The Antarctic Bottom Water (AABW) is shown on the left side in descending blue arrows.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">E23 concludes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cIn particular, a net slowdown of the abyssal ocean overturning circulation of just over 40% is projected to occur by 205\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">According to E23, this would also have some impact on the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC), which is responsible for the vast majority of the northward heat transport on earth:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cAs the meltwater release from Greenland and Antarctica increases over time, the AABW overturning and AMOC strength both weaken by 2050.\u201d (AMOC by 19% shows Fig. 2).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The cause is the additional meltwater from the Antarctic ice shelves, which has a widespread impact on the Antarctic Bottom Water (AABW):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cFirst, the projected addition of Antarctic meltwater causes an anomalous freshening . . . which produces fresher and less dense AABW, and eventually reduced AABW volume, after the 2030s.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The key figure of E23:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"343\" data-attachment-id=\"252493\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252493\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM.webp?fit=768%2C364&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,364\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM.webp?fit=723%2C343&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM.webp?resize=723%2C343&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252493\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.38.05-PM.webp?resize=300%2C142&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Fig.2: A reproduction of Fig. 3a, b in E23. The Antarctic melting will lead to a reduction under the influence of the anthropogenic forcing (aka \u201cClimate Crisis\u201d) of the AABW of 42% (a) in 2050, shown in red. In black: without this forcing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In Fig. 2 (b) the AMOC shows a robust downward trend over 2004-2020; this is not the case in the observations of \u201cRapid\u201d at 26.5N; \u00a0there is much internal variability, with a dip in 2010 and thereafter a slightly recovery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"295\" data-attachment-id=\"252494\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252494\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM.webp?fit=768%2C313&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,313\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM.webp?fit=723%2C295&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM.webp?resize=723%2C295&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252494\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.39.15-PM.webp?resize=300%2C122&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Figure:&nbsp; Observations of the AMOC 2004 to 2020 of \u201cRapid\u201d at 26,5\u00b0N:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/climexp.knmi.nl\/getindices.cgi?WMO=NOCData\/moc_mar_hc10_mon&amp;STATION=AMOC_26N&amp;TYPE=i&amp;id=someone@somewhere&amp;NPERYEAR=366\">Source<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Let\u2019s now have a look how the authors calculated the melting up to 2050, which is a crucial input of the described model for the AABW. From the Methods section of E23:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201c\u2026and the multi-model ensemble mean of CMIP6 models under a high- anthropogenic-emissions scenario, Shared Socioeconomic Pathway 5-8.5 (SSP5-8.5), for the future climate component from 2020 until 2050.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In a&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ProfMattEngland\/status\/1641096876429803521\">twitter thread<\/a>&nbsp;the lead author stated (and provided a \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-023-05762-w.epdf?sharing_token=Yr-LPciuCru6BG6GY4_scNRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0N6Cb4xcqVX2aG3Xn7Rj30TnFCwKHlYSKkvTRRQi-_a2JYjmHj7wPvy9RGeKFIzdMMwun1ksGva3YTaF2ASD1LxhSk_o1b5JlfQyNcbLQYX3WolXGyPhexjY726cT1Yraw%3D\">SharedIt<\/a>\u201d link to read the full paper, thanks for this):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201c\u2026our projections were run under a \u2018business as usual\u2019 scenario. Deep and urgent emissions reductions will give us a chance of avoiding an ocean overturning collapse.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Is SSP5-8.5 (or RCP 8.5 in IPCC AR5) \u201cBusiness as usual\u201d? Not so, stated&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/d41586-020-00177-3\">this comment<\/a>, also in \u201cNature\u201d:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cStop using the worst-case scenario for climate warming as the most likely outcome\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Its projections of future greenhouse gas emissions are generally acknowledged to be unrealistic even on pessimistic assumptions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Furthermore: is the Multi -Model Ensemble mean (MME) of the CMIP6-models appropriate for this approach? No, the MME mean is skewed high owing to a high climate sensitivity due to some models running much too hot.<a href=\"https:\/\/www.realclimate.org\/index.php\/archives\/2021\/12\/making-predictions-with-the-cmip6-ensemble\/\">&nbsp;Gavin Schmidt<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">\u201cThe default behavior in the community has to move away from considering the raw model ensemble mean as meaningful.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">This leads to an urgent need of a discussion of the choice of SPS5-8.5 and the CMIP6 ensemble mean in E23. Unfortunately the paper doesn\u2019t do this, so I will do it in this blog post.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">What effect does the choice of the projected temperatures in the Antarctic for 2020 to 2050 have, which in turn influences the expected melting?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">With the help of the KNMI Climate explorer I investigated the expected trends, first for the settings used in E23:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"587\" data-attachment-id=\"252497\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252497\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM.webp?fit=768%2C624&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,624\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM.webp?fit=723%2C587&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM.webp?resize=723%2C587&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252497\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.41.56-PM.webp?resize=300%2C244&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Fig.3: The linear temperature trends in and around Antarctica for SPS5-8.5 and the MMM of the CMIP6\u2019s, as it was estimated in E23.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In comparison, the not-so-skewed CMIP5\u2019s MME mean for the more likely RCP4.5 scenario:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"586\" data-attachment-id=\"252498\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252498\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM.webp?fit=768%2C623&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,623\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM.webp?fit=723%2C586&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM.webp?resize=723%2C586&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252498\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.42.41-PM.webp?resize=300%2C243&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Fig.4: The linear temperature trends for RCP4.5 in and around Antarctica.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Note that the trend slopes in the crucial melting areas of the western Antarctic (including the Ross Sea and the Weddell Sea) are nearly 50% steeper in the Fig. 3 than in Fig. 4. This results in a warming in this area from 2020 to 2050 of 0.6 K (Fig.4) based on RCP 4.5 and the CMIP5 MME mean; in Fig. 3 it results in 1.3 K based on SSP5-8.5 and the CMIP6 MME mean.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">However, these are climate model simulation results. Let\u2019s compare the spatially resolved linear trends of grid cells for the area 60\u00b0S to 90\u00b0S in the time span 1990 to 2021, virtually the same length as the 30 years long time span 2020 to 2050 in E23 for the observations (GISS) and the \u201cnot so hot case\u201d of Fig.4:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"312\" data-attachment-id=\"252500\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252500\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM.webp?fit=768%2C331&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,331\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM.webp?fit=723%2C312&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM.webp?resize=723%2C312&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.43.47-PM.webp?resize=300%2C129&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Fig.5: The spatial trend slopes of the gridded data for the CMIP5 models with the scenario RCP 4.5 (left) and observations, GISS (right) for the time span 1990-2021 (\u201cHindcast\u201d)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Not only do the simulations warm far too quickly in Antarctica and its environs over the last 30 years,<br>but the modeled warming is poorly correlated with observed warming in most grid cells (Fig.5)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In wide and crucial areas for the forming of the AABW especially on the coastlines (with the exception of the Ross Sea on the bottom) the observed and modelled trends are quite different \u2013 in the observations the trends are near zero.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The more realistic scenario CMIP5 RCP4.5 shows a twice as fast warming in the Antarctic (60\u00b0S-90\u00b0S) as the observations, and the CMIP 6-SSP5-8.5 mean scenario shows an almost 3 times faster warming in the \u201chindcast\u201d period 1990 to 2021 despite the fact that there is relatively little difference in greenhouse gas emissions and changes in other drivers of climate change between the SSP5-8.5 and RCP4.5 scenarios and observations during that period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In the light uncertainty of the spatial resolved trends in the observations, I use the relation of the trends of the entire Antarctic region, estimating that the warming bias in models will persist to 2050. This would lead to an additional warming of only 0.3K for 2020 to 2050 in the Western Arctic, 23% of the estimation in E23.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Conclusion<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Neither the sole warming scenario nor the multi model CMIP6 ensemble mean used by E23 to estimate the melting in Antarctica up to 2050 is appropriate. The resulting MME mean heavily overestimates the likely surface warming and hence the melting, making it \u201cnot meaningful\u201d (see Gavin Schmidt\u2019s citation) as input for the AABW-model used in E23.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">For the crucial regions, the trend slopes 1990 to 2021 in the observations are only about one third of the simulations used by E23. Moreover, projected future greenhouse gas emissions and levels are unrealistically high in SSP5-8.5 scenario used by E23. This suggests that future surface warming in and around Antarctica is likely to be far lower than E23 assumes, which in turn means ice melting and hence the slowing of the abyssal ocean overturning would be much less than E23 projects.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">E23 moreover concluded that the ocean freshening due to melting near parts of the western Antarctic (namely Ross Sea and Weddell Sea) will lead to the described reduction of the AABW within 30 years to 2050. I had a look at the observational \u201cArgo\u201d data, provided by the \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/argo.ucsd.edu\/data\/data-visualizations\/marine-atlas\/\">Marine Atlas<\/a>\u201d. Until December 2021 there is no trend in the salinity data, here shown for the average 0-2000 m depth in the Weddell Sea:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"417\" data-attachment-id=\"252502\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=252502\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM.webp?fit=768%2C443&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"768,443\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM.webp?fit=723%2C417&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM.webp?resize=723%2C417&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-252502\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM.webp?w=768&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/0Screen-Shot-2023-04-11-at-1.46.41-PM.webp?resize=300%2C173&amp;ssl=1 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-paragraph\">Fig. 6: \u201cArgo\u201d observations of the ocean salinity near the Weddell Sea. In the area of the Ross Sea, there is also no trend (not shown) . The figure was generated with the \u201cMarine Atlas\u201d.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">The problems with this paper are: reliance on the implausible SSP5-8.5 emissions scenario, use of the CMIP6 multi-model ensemble mean which is running too hot, and failure to critically evaluate the model simulations using recent observations.&nbsp; Further failures by Nature\u2019s review and editorial process, combined with uncritical and amplified media promotion,&nbsp; have unnecessarily confused the science and public.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Acknowledgement:<\/strong>&nbsp;I thank Nic Lewis for very helpful comments on earlier draft versions.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Probably not, in spite of the recent headlines.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":252505,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691818328,691818326,691818327,691818324,691818323,691818325],"class_list":["post-252488","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-antarctic","tag-antarctica","tag-cmip5","tag-cmip6","tag-cmip6-multi-model","tag-simulations","fallback-thumbnail"],"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/00antarctica-canyon01.jpg?fit=1580%2C1000&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-13Go","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":251043,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=251043","url_meta":{"origin":252488,"position":0},"title":"Play Station science: Deep ocean currents around Antarctica headed for collapse, study finds","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"04\/04\/2023","format":false,"excerpt":"From Watts Up With That? 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