{"id":251435,"date":"2023-04-05T20:58:31","date_gmt":"2023-04-05T18:58:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=251435"},"modified":"2023-04-05T20:58:33","modified_gmt":"2023-04-05T18:58:33","slug":"bill-pontons-reality-check-on-uk-wind-power-the-issue-of-energy-storage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=251435","title":{"rendered":"Bill Ponton\u2019s \u201cReality Check\u201d On UK Wind Power: The Issue of Energy Storage"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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From MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

By Francis Menton<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Bill Ponton\u2019s new Report, \u201cThe Cost of Increasing Wind Power: A Reality Check,\u201d<\/a> contains a short but pithy section addressing the question of energy storage. Here\u2019s the question to be addressed: If after the first round of overbuilding, adding new wind generation resources adds little useful energy and most of the added generation ends up getting \u201ccurtailed,\u201d then why not just add some batteries or other energy storage to the system? Wind energy advocates suggest that some form of batteries can store the excess electricity production until it is needed, and everything will then just balance out in perfect equilibrium.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Is there any problem here? Ponton does the simple calculations with his UK 2022 spreadsheet to derive how much storage in GWh will be needed, and what its functional characteristics must be. His results are very similar to the results of comparable exercises previously undertaken by Roger Andrews for California and Germany<\/a>, and Ken Gregory for the U.S.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n

The main problem identified by Ponton is the same one previously identified by Andrews and Gregory. Before you even get to the very high cost of storing electricity, there is another huge hurdle, which is that the availability of wind to generate electricity varies with a seasonal pattern. Therefore, to match electricity supplied to electricity demanded, the storage balance must be built up over about a six month period to an enormous level, and then discharged over the following six month period.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ponton considers the case of a tripling of UK wind generation rated capacity, from the current 28 GW to 84 GW. Average usage is about 35 GW, and peak usage is about 45 GW; so the 84 GW of rated wind capacity provides plenty of spare electricity to charge the batteries when the wind is blowing at full strength, or even close to that.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Ponton next assumes purchase of 12,000 GWh of battery storage capacity. With that in place, here is his chart of additions and withdrawals from storage based on the UK 2022 data:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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You can immediately see that the wind is much stronger and more consistent in the Spring and Fall than in the Summer. Then, here is the chart of the storage balance, assuming you initialized the system with zero storage at January 1, 2022:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The batteries build up to the 12,000 GWh maximum by about March, then discharge through September, and then begin building the storage balance back up starting in October. On the particular weather pattern of 2022, the 12,000 GWh of storage capacity was sufficient to get through the year, with the minimum stored amount in September being more than 1,000 GWh.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

For readers who don\u2019t recall the previous results from Andrews and Gregory, here is Andrews\u2019s comparable chart for California based on 2017 data:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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And here is Gregory\u2019s chart for the U.S. with two different lines representing 2019 and 2020 data, both again showing the characteristic seasonal pattern:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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All these results clearly illustrate the problem that the energy storage to accomplish the task of using the excess production from wind must have both very large capacity and<\/em> the ability to charge and discharge in one grand annual cycle. Ponton\u2019s comment:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Batteries do not exist that are up to the task of such long-term energy storage.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Pumped water storage does at least theoretically have the ability to charge and discharge to meet this criterion of an annual cycle, but it also has the problems of enormous cost and, even more important, complete lack of sufficient suitable sites. Ponton:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

If there were sites in the UK for pumped storage, it would cost $2 trillion. The UK would have to construct 500 pumped storage facilities with 24,000 MWh capacity [each]. Each would be comparable in size to the largest facility in existence at Bath, VA, which cost $4 billion to construct.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

My own comment: Ponton\u2019s illustration of 12,000 GWh of storage needed to get through the year represents about 14-15 days of average usage in the UK. That figure is quite low compared to the amounts of storage found by Andrews and Gregory to be needed for California and the for entire U.S., which are in the range of 25-30 days of average usage. I think the difference is explained by the following things:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  • Andrews and Gregory assumed a renewables mix of wind and solar facilities in similar proportion to what exists currently in California and in the entire U.S., respectively. Ponton assumes only wind as the renewable addition. This makes a substantial difference because solar generation is much more seasonal even than wind, and operates at a much lower average annual capacity factor. (Note that both California and the full U.S. have substantial solar in the mix. Since solar is strongest in the summer, the peak of the annual charge\/discharge cycle in the Andrews and Gregory spreadsheets is later in the year than in the Ponton spreadsheet. But the annual cyclical pattern is basically the same.)<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Ponton assumes that the \u201cother\u201d category of generation currently existing in the UK remains in place. This \u201cother\u201d category consists of a mix of things like coal, nuclear, hydro and biomass, most or all of which may well be on the environmentalists\u2019 chopping block. As shown on Ponton\u2019s charts, the \u201cother \u201c category operates at a quite steady 10 or so MW, covering almost a third of the UK\u2019s average usage like a \u201cbaseload\u201d generator. The continued existence of this \u201cother\u201d category substantially reduces the annual seasonality of production over what would be the case of wind was expected to take over all power generation.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Ponton has no assumptions for losses in storage, such as the loss from every charge\/discharge cycle, or the dissipation loss from having energy stored in a battery for months on end. Since the costs he comes to are already ridiculous before adding these additional elements, he can be forgiven for not continuing to beat the dead horse.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

    Ponton does not compute prices for 12,000 GWh of storage using lithium ion batteries, which is reasonable since those batteries are not up to the job of storing energy for 6 months to a year without catastrophic loss. But just to give an idea, at $250 per kWh (lower than current prices for grid-scale storage), 12,000 GWh would run about $3 trillion \u2014 approximately equal to the entire annual GDP of the UK. If you start trying to shift the coal and nuclear production in the UK to wind, and if you then consider major losses from trying to store power for up to a year before use, you can multiply that $3 trillion by a factor of 2 or 3 or maybe 4. Whatever.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

    As stated many times at this site, this will never happen. The only question is how disastrous the crash will be when it all falls apart.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

    Again, many thanks to Bill Ponton for putting in the work to demonstrate these issues, all without compensation.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

    Batteries do not exist that are up to the task of such long-term energy storage.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":251447,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[691818065,691818064],"class_list":{"0":"post-251435","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","8":"tag-energy-storage","9":"tag-windpower","11":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/04\/02dfb5dff33d4e317ac54cdc77c60a3e1.jpg?fit=1600%2C800&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-13pp","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":339800,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=339800","url_meta":{"origin":251435,"position":0},"title":"Zero Emissions Grid Demonstration Project Follies: No Fraudulent Demonstration Projects Allowed!","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"16\/08\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"Even as I regularly repeat my calls for a Zero Emissions Grid Demonstration Project, I\u2019m ready for the next move in the back and forth. 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