{"id":236314,"date":"2022-12-27T10:24:06","date_gmt":"2022-12-27T09:24:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=236314"},"modified":"2022-12-27T10:24:07","modified_gmt":"2022-12-27T09:24:07","slug":"us-grid-needs-fossil-fuels-not-wind","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=236314","title":{"rendered":"US Grid Needs Fossil Fuels, Not Wind"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"542\" data-attachment-id=\"236320\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?attachment_id=236320\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?fit=1024%2C768&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"1024,768\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;orientation&quot;:&quot;0&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"image-838\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?fit=723%2C542&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=723%2C542&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-236320\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?w=1024&amp;ssl=1 1024w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=300%2C225&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=768%2C576&amp;ssl=1 768w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=800%2C600&amp;ssl=1 800w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=400%2C300&amp;ssl=1 400w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/image-838.png?resize=200%2C150&amp;ssl=1 200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">From <a href=\"https:\/\/notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com\/2022\/12\/27\/us-grid-needs-fossil-fuels-not-wind\/\">NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\">By Paul Homewood<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Just to follow up yesterday\u2019s post on the Texas grid, here are two charts for the US as a whole.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The first show how total demand rose by more than 100GW during the cold spell just before Christmas.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>The second illustrates how wind power halved in the space of 24 hours at the same time:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"http:\/\/notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com\/2022\/12\/2022-eastern-time1.png\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"723\" height=\"482\" data-attachment-id=\"236316\" 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data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/02022-eastern-time.png?fit=723%2C482&amp;ssl=1\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/02022-eastern-time.png?resize=723%2C482&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-236317\" title=\"2022, Eastern Time\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/02022-eastern-time.png?w=897&amp;ssl=1 897w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/02022-eastern-time.png?resize=300%2C200&amp;ssl=1 300w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/12\/02022-eastern-time.png?resize=768%2C512&amp;ssl=1 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 723px) 100vw, 723px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"http:\/\/notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com\/2022\/12\/2022-eastern-time.png\"><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.eia.gov\/electricity\/gridmonitor\/dashboard\/electric_overview\/US48\/US48\">https:\/\/www.eia.gov\/electricity\/gridmonitor\/dashboard\/electric_overview\/US48\/US48<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>This destroys the idea that the wind is always blowing somewhere, and that all you have to do is distribute surplus power around the country in order to meet demand.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>And without gas or some other dispatchable source, how would that loss of wind power and surge in demand have been met?<\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>And without gas or some other dispatchable source, how would that loss of wind power and surge in demand have been 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