{"id":208073,"date":"2022-07-11T11:22:36","date_gmt":"2022-07-11T09:22:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=208073"},"modified":"2022-07-11T11:22:37","modified_gmt":"2022-07-11T09:22:37","slug":"andrew-dessler-cancels-economists-from-the-climate-debate","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=208073","title":{"rendered":"Andrew Dessler Cancels Economists from the Climate Debate"},"content":{"rendered":"\n
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By Robert Bradley Jr.<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n

\u201cIn order to solve the climate problem, the first thing we need to do is ignore the economists.\u201d \u2013 Andrew Dessler, May 14, 2022<\/a><\/p>

\u201cIf you\u2019re pushing fossil fuels at this point, you\u2019re anti-human.\u201d \u2013 Dessler, June 28, 2022<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Andrew Dessler is the alarmist\u2019s alarmist, joining Michael Mann and others who have declared war not only against fossil fuels but also against anyone who thinks otherwise. The two bring to mind the infamous Joe Romm<\/a>, who carried the ugly torch back in his heyday.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dessler is angry<\/a>. His message of doom-and-gloom is not convincing many outside of the Church of Climate<\/a>. And his emotions and disrespect work against his (hyped) activism. Consider his sarcastic paraphrase<\/a> of the IPCC Summary for Policymakers:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Hey assholes. We\u2019ve been telling you for decades that this was going to happen if we didn\u2019t reduce greenhouse gas emissions. You didn\u2019t listen and now it\u2019s all happening. We hope you\u2019re happy. Enjoy the heatwaves, intense rainfall, sea level rise, ocean acidification, and many other things, you fucking morons.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

That\u2019s Angry Andy, to whom every negative weather event is due to us and every positive weather event is, well, in spite of us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dessler will not debate physical climate science against an able opponent (why not?) as if fundamental questions of natural-versus-manmade warming were settled (they are not). He ignores plant biology (the work of Craig Idso<\/a>) since that is on the benefit<\/em> side of CO2 emissions and increasing atmospheric concentrations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dessler looks the other way at the profound problems of climate modeling where causality is sub-grid scale, for starters. In this regard, he tries to cancel<\/a> the esteemed Steven Koonin<\/a> whose influential book Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn\u2019t, and Why It Matters<\/em><\/a> (2021)<\/em> explains what Dessler does not want you to know.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dessler does not understand Economics 101 either. Such concepts as opportunity cost<\/em> and anticipatory entrepreneurship<\/em> do not register well in his natural science mind.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Andrew Dessler now traffics on the economics and policy sides of the climate debate, far outside of his expertise\u2013and his job as a chair professor in geosciences. (His colleagues in the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at Texas A&M University must wonder about his agenda and priorities.) But with tenure \u2026..<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Dessler\u2019s latest is \u2026 ban the economists!<\/em><\/strong> On the one hand, Angry Andy wants to cancel the \u201cclimate deniers\u201d as out of the mainstream. Yet he relies on Stanford University engineer Mark Jacobso<\/a>n to argue that renewables are cheap, reliable, and scalable. (They are not.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Economists do not give Dessler the answers he so desperately wants, so he dismisses them. Bjorn Lomborg is one critic that Andrew Dessler wants to cancel. But the list of leading climate economists who cannot find a way to justify pricing carbon dioxide (CO2) runs deep. Climate economists are important to neutral the climate alarm, as Bryan Gould<\/a>, president and CEO of Aspenleaf Energy Limited, recently explained<\/a>:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rhetoric about climate change being an \u201cexistential threat,\u201d a \u201ccrisis,\u201d an \u201cemergency\u201d and even an \u201cextinction-level event\u201d has come, not just from overheated activists, but also from corporate leaders, bankers, bureaucrats, politicians, United Nations officials and more than a few scientists.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Missing from that list? Economists<\/strong>. If the climate-emergency crowd were right, we should have stopped using fossil fuels and demanded that major producers immediately sequester the stuff underground. Most economists, by contrast, view the climate-change cost of fossil fuel use as a relatively small side effect that should not stand in the way of continued enjoyment of the global benefits of inexpensive and reliable energy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

How do I know? Partly because in 2018 the Nobel Prize committee for economics gave the award to Yale\u2019s William Nordhaus for work on the economics of climate change that showed, among other things, both that aggressive emission reductions were costlier than doing nothing and that the optimal course of action would be to reduce emissions to only slightly below the business-as-usual case. As Robert Murphy and I explained in a study published by the Fraser Institute last year, Nordhaus\u2019 analysis does not support the 1.5\u00b0C policy [of CO2 mitigation] or anything close to it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

[M]ainstream climate economists \u2026 view carbon dioxide emissions as a global problem, but not a huge one and not one that should cause us to radically alter the role of fossil energy in economic growth and development\u2026. [T]he economic implication is that the optimal response to climate change is to keep using fossil fuels almost as much as if carbon dioxide wasn\u2019t a greenhouse gas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The way out of this mess begins by getting back to mainstream economics, mainstream science, and the more than occasional exercise of common sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Conclusion<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Andrew Dessler has a problem, a big one. He is emotionally wed to a cause that is both wrongheaded and futile. He is in denial about the benefits of fossil fuels and CO2 greening, not to mention the benefit side of the human influence on climate. And Andy is mad as the world correctly prioritizes here-and-now problems over future, speculative ones.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Will this activist make mid-course corrections with climate and energy realism in place of exaggeration and alarm? Or will be become more and more shrill, while demeaning and teasing his adversaries who value economic freedom, affordable and reliable energy, and a greener, more productive earth?<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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The post\u00a0Andrew Dessler Cancels Economists from the Climate Debate<\/a>\u00a0appeared first on\u00a0Master Resource<\/a>.<\/mark><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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By Robert Bradley Jr. \u201cIn order to solve the climate problem, the first thing we need to do is ignore the economists.\u201d \u2013 Andrew Dessler, May 14, 2022 \u201cIf you\u2019re pushing fossil fuels at this point, you\u2019re anti-human.\u201d \u2013 Dessler, June 28, 2022 Andrew Dessler is the alarmist\u2019s alarmist, joining Michael Mann and others who have declared […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":121246920,"featured_media":208075,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_coblocks_attr":"","_coblocks_dimensions":"","_coblocks_responsive_height":"","_coblocks_accordion_ie_support":"","_crdt_document":"","advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":true,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-208073","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","6":"hentry","7":"category-uncategorized","9":"fallback-thumbnail"},"jetpack_publicize_connections":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/climatescience.press\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/1a6fb39e237d8708c.png?fit=1146%2C1009&ssl=1","jetpack_likes_enabled":true,"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/paxLW1-S81","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":354286,"url":"https:\/\/climatescience.press\/?p=354286","url_meta":{"origin":208073,"position":0},"title":"Andrew Dessler\u2019s Strange Optimism (post-election groping)","author":"uwe.roland.gross","date":"12\/13\/2024","format":false,"excerpt":"The recent election should have thrown climate scientist\/alarmist\/activist Andrew Dessler into a funk, even toward self-doubt and need to check his anti-CO2 premises. 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